Bible Study The Bible Defines what Grace ...Really is

[Jay T]

#1.) "For by grace...are you saved....through faith....and that not of yourselves...it is a gift of God", (Ephesians 2:8).

Look at what it is really saying here. Through faith you have grace from God, as it is a free gift from God.

Now, "FAITH...comes from hearing...and hearing from the word of God", (Romans 10:17).
So...by the study of God's word, the Bible.....you gain faith.

The Bible says: "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy..", (Exodus 20:8-11).....God's 4th commandment.
Faith, then understands what scripture says......BUT, IT TAKES Grace....to do it.
Now, we come to point ....
#2.) By whom we have received grace....for obedience...to the faith...among all nations", (Romans 1:5).

When a person refuses to obey God's 4th commandment, God warns:
"We then beseech you as workers together with him...that you receive not...the grace of God in vain", (2 Corinthians 6:1).

 

[Providence Chapel]

Grace is undeserved favour!

'Man of sorrows!' what a name
For the Son of God who came
Ruined sinners to reclaim!
Hallelujah, what a Savior!

Bearing shame and scoffing rude,
In my place condemned He stood,
Seal'd my pardon with His blood;
Hallelujah, what a Savior!

Guilty vile, and helpless we,
Spotless Lamb of God was He;
Full atonement! can it be?
Hallelujah, what a Savior!

Lifted up was He to die,
'It is finished,' was His cry;
Now in heav'n exalted high,
Hallelujah, What a Savior!

When He comes, our glorious King,
All His ransomed home to bring,
Then anew this song we'll sing,
Hallelujah, what a Savior!

 

[Eve777]

My Amplified Bible calls it "Unmerited Favor"......undeserved affection

He didn't have to come to our rescue and we certainly didn't deserve it, but he did it as an act of Love.


The Supreme Act of Love...to lay down your life for someone else.

 

[evanman]

You can keep the fourth commandment, but as soon as you break any of the other nine you undo your keeping of the 4th.

 

[Jay T]

You can keep the fourth commandment, but as soon as you break any of the other nine you undo your keeping of the 4th.

That's right !

And the reverse is true......to break the 4th commandment (7th day Sabbath) is to break the other nine.
It goes both ways.

But, the Bible points a people, who love Jesus Christ enough, that they keep all 10 commandments of God.....because they have the faith of Jesus.
"Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus", (Revelation 14:12).

 

[Joeri]

You can keep the fourth commandment, but as soon as you break any of the other nine you undo your keeping of the 4th.

That's right !

And the reverse is true......to break the 4th commandment (7th day Sabbath) is to break the other nine.
It goes both ways.

But, the Bible points a people, who love Jesus Christ enough, that they keep all 10 commandments of God.....because they have the faith of Jesus.
"Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus", (Revelation 14:12).

coulnt agree more. A christian obeys Christ and does not start preaching unbiblical things like the lawlessness most preach today. instead they preach how the love of God in their hearts pushes them onward on Gods spirit, which does not disobey the law, no, the law isnt necesary anymore for people who naturally observe it because of Gods spirit;the law is for the unjust. Or do you think when christ said he called sinners to repentence, that he meant to make them say, you are lord, yet didnt care they were continueing to sin?

 

[Bob10]

And the reverse is true......to break the 4th commandment (7th day Sabbath) is to break the other nine.
It goes both ways.

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the entire law, yet fails in one point, is guilty of breaking it all.

James 2:11
For He who said, Do not commit adultery, also said, Do not murder. So if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you are a lawbreaker.

 

[Joeri]

And the reverse is true......to break the 4th commandment (7th day Sabbath) is to break the other nine.
It goes both ways.

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the entire law, yet fails in one point, is guilty of breaking it all.

James 2:11
For He who said, Do not commit adultery, also said, Do not murder. So if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you are a lawbreaker.

thats is no reason to begin sinning anyway, still have to try and obey christ in faith truth and spirit.

 

[Restin]

Grace

• John 1:17 For the Law was given through Moses;
  grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
  
  NASU, w/emphasis supplied

.......Restin

 

[Joeri]

Re: Grace

• John 1:17 For the Law was given through Moses;
  grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
  
  NASU, w/emphasis supplied

.......Restin

fine. so let us be both grace and truthful. and therefore not sinning.

 

[Little Drummer Boy]

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the entire law, yet fails in one point, is guilty of breaking it all.

James 2:11
For He who said, Do not commit adultery, also said, Do not murder. So if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you are a lawbreaker.

James 2:12) So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

John 13:34) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Romans 2:13) For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Amen Jay T. I found out the hard way, my way wasn't working.

Love in Christ,
Randy

 

[Joeri]

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the entire law, yet fails in one point, is guilty of breaking it all.

James 2:11
For He who said, Do not commit adultery, also said, Do not murder. So if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you are a lawbreaker.

James 2:12) So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

John 13:34) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Romans 2:13) For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Amen Jay T. I found out the hard way, my way wasn't working.

Love in Christ,
Randy

exactly! but noone of these wecansinallwewantchristians love to hear:if you love me:keep my commanments. apparantly, many here dont love their saviour!

 

[Jay T]

Re: Grace

• John 1:17 For the Law was given through Moses;
  grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
  
  NASU, w/emphasis supplied

.......Restin

Let's not confuse the 2 different laws.
#1.) God's 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17)
#2.) Law of Moses, concerning the ceremonial laws.

When Jesus said: "IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).......He was refering to the laws, that the Christian uses to judge themselves by (10 commandments, dietery, etc.)

The Bible student understands that certain laws, such as the sacrificial system, the sabbaths such as the Passover, were abolished at the cross.

 

[Joeri]

Re: Grace

• John 1:17 For the Law was given through Moses;
  grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.
  
  NASU, w/emphasis supplied

.......Restin

Let's not confuse the 2 different laws.
#1.) God's 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17)
#2.) Law of Moses, concerning the ceremonial laws.

When Jesus said: "IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).......He was refering to the laws, that the Christian uses to judge themselves by (10 commandments, dietery, etc.)

The Bible student understands that certain laws, such as the sacrificial system, the sabbaths such as the Passover, were abolished at the cross.

erm, sabbath is part of the ten commandments you say christians use to judge themselves by.
4thcommandment actually

 

[Restin]

The Word is Near You...

THE WORD - IN YOUR MOUTH - IN YOUR HEART

• Romans 10:5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness
  which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
  
  6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: "DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?' (that is, to bring Christ down),
  7 or 'WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)."
  8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
  9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
  10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
  11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
  12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
  13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
  
  NASU, w/emphasis supplied

.......Restin

 

[Joeri]

Re: The Word is Near You...

THE WORD - IN YOUR MOUTH - IN YOUR HEART

• Romans 10:5 For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness
  which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.
  
  6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: "DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?' (that is, to bring Christ down),
  7 or 'WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)."
  8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
  9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
  10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
  11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
  12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
  13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
  
  NASU, w/emphasis supplied

.......Restin

matt 7 says unlike verse 9 it is not that saying LORD LORD will get you to heaven. Revelation speaks of a great share of people that not only believes jesus, but also KEEPS THE COMMANDMENTS! those are who have been washed in the blood of the lamb. whatever you believe, there simply is no reason not to be obedient to what christ said anyway. :bday:

 

[evanman]

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


Jhn 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and [that] your joy might be full.


Jhn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


Jhn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.


Jhn 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.


Jhn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.


Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.


Jhn 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

 

[Joeri]

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


Jhn 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and [that] your joy might be full.


Jhn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


Jhn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.


Jhn 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.


Jhn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.


Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.


Jhn 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

exactly :angel:

 

[Jay T]

Re: The Word is Near You...

"WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

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IF....the conditions are met.

These people (below) called on the name of the Lord....yet were lost !

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven".

7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity".

 

[Jay T]

preach how the love of God in their hearts pushes them onward on Gods spirit, which does not disobey the law, no, the law isnt necesary anymore for people who naturally observe it because of Gods spirit;the law is for the unjust. Or do you think when christ said he called sinners to repentence, that he meant to make them say, you are lord, yet didnt care they were continueing to sin?

It is because Satan has surpressed what the Bible defines as sin, in the Christian world, that allows Satan to have the control he does in the Christian world.

And, as a result.....the Christian world knows not what constitutes salvation.