The call of the Father.

[Watchman 2]

Is the OT a closed book you?
Have you never read the story of Naman.
Because I answered your questions with that story.

It's a yes or no question. When you take a stand by one of those, I will proceed with other questions.

 

[Watchman 2]

Addendum: I am not a moderator either. I strayed from my lane into yours. I am an ambassador to the recovery forum. I am going to bow out now and go back to the recovery forum. My apologies.

P.S. I am open to the idea that everything can be found in the Bible. The Holy Spirit has not led me to that conclusion yet but I am young and an eager student. So far, the Holy Spirit has let me wallow in my liberal philosophy so I can help people like me who are still struggling to find the way. God's Way. Here is my other post about this subject and I will leave it at that. The Way by Susan Peabody

It says your a teacher in the paragraph below each of your posts?

 

[Susannah]

Yes. I started teaching when I was ten. I used to beg my sister to play school with me so I could teach. Then I had all my friends come to me for advice and I started teaching about solutions to problems. In 1979 I got a teaching credential in California, but I could not deal with the public school system. So I started teaching about recovery from addiction at Piedmont Adult School. Adults sit still. I taught there for 15 years and then veered off into counseling and writing. Today, I do all three. I used to teach what I read about and what I learned about myself through self-analysis, but now I am under exclusive contract with the Holy Spirit. No I am not crazy. I just love to enlighten people and help God help them change their life the way he changed me.

 

[Watchman 2]

Yes. I started teaching when I was ten. I used to beg my sister to play school with me so I could teach. Then I had all my friends come to me for advice and I started teaching about solutions to problems. In 1979 I got a teaching credential in California, but I could not deal with the public school system. So I started teaching about recovery from addiction at Piedmont Adult School. Adults sit still. I taught there for 15 years and then veered off into counseling and writing. Today, I do all three. I used to teach what I read about and what I learned about myself through self-analysis, but now I am under exclusive contract with the Holy Spirit. No I am not crazy. I just love to enlighten people and help God help them change their life the way he changed me.

Your one of the gifted Ministers? I've only known one in 33 years of looking.

 

[Susannah]

Bless you. I needed to hear that as so many people get upset by my posts. God's timing is always perfect. He used to open windows after they closed. Now he opens the windows before they shut. Put another way. He hinted that I was to get to travel if I gave up all my possessions. Then he evicted me and had the storage people sell all my worldly good. I came to this forum and met John and we are going to start a ministry in Kenya for African Women to learn how to love and esteem themselves. We named it the Christian Women's Union. Put the word out. Here is the link. Women's Christian Union

 

[for_his_glory]

If they do not know Christ they surrender to goodness or love. They intuitively know to love their neighbor and serve the poor. They are doing God's will guided by the Holy Spirit rather than the Bible.

How do you reconcile what you say here with Ephesians 2:8? God's free gift of grace is through that of Christ Jesus who is our faith and in whom we are saved by Him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Those that do not believe in Christ have already damned themselves no matter if they seem to be good people and help others as our own righteousness is as a filthy rag to God. Isaiah 64:6, 7.

John 14: 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit was sent down to indwell those who are Spiritually born again from above, John 3:5-7, as He, being the spirit of God is sent down by Christ. The Holy Spirit teaches us the true doctrines of Christ, being that what He has already taught orally in what we now have as being the letters the Apostles wrote to the various churches they helped to establish, and what we call the Bible.

God calls us and by faith we are saved by His grace, not of works.

 

[Watchman 2]

Bless you. I needed to hear that as so many people get upset by my posts. God's timing is always perfect. He used to open windows after they closed. Now he opens the windows before they shut. Put another way. He hinted that I was to get to travel if I gave up all my possessions. Then he evicted me and had the storage people sell all my worldly good. I came to this forum and met John and we are going to start a ministry in Kenya for African Women to learn how to love and esteem themselves. We named it the Christian Women's Union. Put the word out. Here is the link. Women's Christian Union

Does anyone want to reply " to the op" ?

 

[Susannah]

Original Question: My question to the group, is could the Father call someone out ( say before the scriptures were available to the masses 15th century ) to respond in Faith, even though they have never heard of Christ or the good news of the Gospel?

Yes he can and yes he did.

You tell me who he called.

Adam? Abraham? Moses? The Prophets? A woman here and there?

 

[for_his_glory]

Is this normal here? The moderator derailing threads?

Not derailing as I see this as a part of God calling and drawing us unto Christ who is our faith through God's grace.

 

[Watchman 2]

Original Question: My question to the group, is could the Father call someone out ( say before the scriptures were available to the masses 15th century ) to respond in Faith, even though they have never heard of Christ or the good news of the Gospel?

Yes he can and yes he did. You tell me who he called.

Adam???? The Prophets??? Abraham?

So you want back into the discussion, your the only one making any headway. But if your to sensitive probably not a good idea.

 

[Susannah]

I am off to bed. I just wanted to make sure somebody answered your question. When I watch debates it is my number one annoyance. I scream in my head: "Answer the question for God's sake." LOL I will check your progress tomorrow.

 

[for_his_glory]

In the scenario were discussing , there is no scripture yet! Only Grace made possible by the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross.

Let's say the day after the resurrection, God the Father wanted to call out someone on the other side of the globe. Grace is in affect for mankind, the Father is calling someone out. In your understanding, could that called out one respond with an act of saving Faith?

It's really just a yes or no answer.

I know there was no written scripture yet and that is what I was trying to show you in post # 35. No, it really is not just a yes or no answer. Grace has always been in affect since God covered the nakedness of Adam and Eve with coats of skin making the first blood sacrifice for the atonement of sin and saved faithful Noah and his family from the flood as there was only the oral being of what God spoke to men before that of Moses writing the Torah.

Without scripture that we now have in the written of the OT and NT then everything is only speculation and opinions and Christian discussions would be fruitless.

 

[jasonc]

I don't agree that everyone is called, but that's another discussion.

hah a reformed one.

 

[for_his_glory]

No, not familiar with them.

OK, never mind then.

 

[Watchman 2]

I am off to bed. I just wanted to make sure somebody answered your question. When I watch debates it is my number one annoyance. I scream in my head: "Answer the question for God's sake." LOL I will check your progress tomorrow.

Your answer was surprisingly good, but know that you've said yes, the harder questions must be asked. It's that same point you bailed on me previously.

The same act of Faith they fulfilled in the days of Abraham, must still work today. You said , " surrender".

Saving Faith is an act, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence.

So if the act is surrender, what is the belief the surrender based upon?

 

[Watchman 2]

I know there was no written scripture yet and that is what I was trying to show you in post # 35. No, it really is not just a yes or no answer. Grace has always been in affect since God covered the nakedness of Adam and Eve with coats of skin making the first blood sacrifice for the atonement of sin and saved faithful Noah and his family from the flood as there was only the oral being of what God spoke to men before that of Moses writing the Torah.

Without scripture that we now have in the written of the OT and NT then everything is only speculation and opinions and Christian discussions would be fruitless.

Not for me!

 

[Watchman 2]

I know there was no written scripture yet and that is what I was trying to show you in post # 35. No, it really is not just a yes or no answer. Grace has always been in affect since God covered the nakedness of Adam and Eve with coats of skin making the first blood sacrifice for the atonement of sin and saved faithful Noah and his family from the flood as there was only the oral being of what God spoke to men before that of Moses writing the Torah.

Without scripture that we now have in the written of the OT and NT then everything is only speculation and opinions and Christian discussions would be fruitless.

Are you purposely not giving a straight answer, because you already see the handwriting on the wall. That the Faith the church world claims that saves " believe and recieve", would not work for most of humanity before the 15th century.

If you can accept that truth, we can continue onto what matters, what true NT saving Faith is.

 

[for_his_glory]

Watchman 2 in answer to your question from the OP, which I can't see why you could not see it in post #35, is yes if one would only listen to Him calling them as that has never changed. All were, have, and still are called by God as He draws all men unto Him. Many are called, but few are chosen because not everyone will answer God's call to salvation.

 

[Watchman 2]

Watchman 2 in answer to your question from the OP, which I can't see why you could not see it in post #35, is yes if one would only listen to Him calling them as that has never changed. All were, have, and still are called by God as He draws all men unto Him. Many are called, but few are chosen because not everyone will answer God's call to salvation.

Ok, then what would the correct response be to the call of the Father by that person in that state of being?

How would you describe the first part of saving Faith, the act?

 

[for_his_glory]

Are you purposely not giving a straight answer, because you already see the handwriting on the wall. That the Faith the church world claims that saves " believe and recieve", would not work for most of humanity before the 15th century.

If you can accept that truth, we can continue onto what matters, what true NT saving Faith is.

When did faith in God ever change since the beginning of time as it's always been about believing in God and being obedient to His commands. It all started with Adam with the commandments God gave to him and every generation after him including our generation today and forever.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Even from the time of Cain, many quit seeking after God just like today and up to the time of Christ return. This is why they refuse to hear God calling them.