the Day of the Lord. How long will it last?

[lecoop]

We all know that Jesus is coming again. Many have fun trying to work out when. That is not what this post is about.

The Day of the Lord. When the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised and we shall be changed. ( sorry quoting the Mesiah.)

Now this is what I'm asking. We who are alive when Jesus returnes will be changed.
Here is my question.

How long will that take?


If you are not a yec and believe God took millions of years to create and discribed this period as 6 days, how many years is an instant?
Whay difference is there between creation and being changed?

Sorry, but you are imagining that "The Day of the Lord" is the day of the rapture. This is simply not truth. The truth is, the rapture will TRIGGER the Day of the Lord. The rapture will be a glorious event, but the Day of the Lord a very terrible time when God begins to destroy this planet and the sinners on the planet.

To answer your question, probably the rapture event (caught up) will take only a moment - but our trip up to heaven may take much longer..

 

[for_his_glory]

Sorry, but you are imagining that "The Day of the Lord" is the day of the rapture. This is simply not truth. The truth is, the rapture will TRIGGER the Day of the Lord. The rapture will be a glorious event, but the Day of the Lord a very terrible time when God begins to destroy this planet and the sinners on the planet.

To answer your question, probably the rapture event (caught up) will take only a moment - but our trip up to heaven may take much longer..

The Lord's day being the day of the Lord is a day of Gods great wrath being poured out on those who refuse to repent. It is always pointed out as the day at hand meaning in Gods timing in Rev 1:10. The phrase the day of the Lord” is used nineteen times in the Old Testament (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and five times in the New Testament (Acts 2:20; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev 1:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14).

The Lord's day only appears once in scripture in Rev 1:10. It gives no reference to what day of the week it was as every day is the Lord's day, but more specific is also referred to the Sabbath day in Mark 16:9; Acts 2:42; 20:7; 1Corinthians 16:1,2 . John was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, but yet in his physical body when he received from the angel Jesus sent to him all these revelations that he wrote down. Throughout scripture the Lord's day is usually referred to as the Sabbath being the seventh day of the week, Genesis 2:1-3 a day of rest.

BTW, the pretrib rapture is only man's theory as it is found no where in scripture as Jesus said He will return on the last day, Matthew 24:29-31; John 5:28, 29; John 6:40.

 

[lecoop]

The Lord's day being the day of the Lord is a day of Gods great wrath being poured out on those who refuse to repent. It is always pointed out as the day at hand meaning in Gods timing in Rev 1:10. The phrase the day of the Lord” is used nineteen times in the Old Testament (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and five times in the New Testament (Acts 2:20; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev 1:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14).

The Lord's day only appears once in scripture in Rev 1:10. It gives no reference to what day of the week it was as every day is the Lord's day, but more specific is also referred to the Sabbath day in Mark 16:9; Acts 2:42; 20:7; 1Corinthians 16:1,2 . John was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, but yet in his physical body when he received from the angel Jesus sent to him all these revelations that he wrote down. Throughout scripture the Lord's day is usually referred to as the Sabbath being the seventh day of the week, Genesis 2:1-3 a day of rest.

BTW, the pretrib rapture is only man's theory as it is found no where in scripture as Jesus said He will return on the last day, Matthew 24:29-31; John 5:28, 29; John 6:40.

When people start out wrong, what chance do they have of ending correctly?

"The Lord's Day" is NOT "the day of the Lord." It is the day Jesus rose from the dead: SUNDAY - the day after the sabbath. It was the day the early church began to come together to worship and break bread.

Chapters 2 & 3 certainly are not "the day of the Lord" yet they were what God showed John. Chapters 4 & 5 are not "the Day of the Lord." God wanted to introduce John to the book - held in our Father's right hand. In doing so, God chose to begin with a vision of the throne room while Christ was still on earth and not yet worthy to open the seals - to a time when Christ rose from the dead and was then found worthy - to the time Jesus ascended into the throne room - right after telling Mary not to touch Him for He had not yet ascended.

John told us it was on a Sunday when this revelation began. John does not get to the Day of the Lord in his narrative until the 6th seal. We can look to commentators who searched church history to find that the Lord's day was Sunday. We can certainly find scripture that shows they were meeting on Sunday.

"yet in his physical body when he received from the angel Jesus sent to him all these revelations" Please show us scripture that backs this theory up.

the pretrib rapture is only man's theory as it is found no where in scripture Sorry, but this is myth. OF COURSE it is found in scripture. That is why untold millions believe it.

Jesus said He will return on the last day Jesus said He would raise them up on the last day. The "last day" of the 70th week will be the day of the 7th vial. What do we see there? The world's greatest earthquake - caused when Jesus raises the Old Covenant saints - including those before the flood. This does not PRECLUDE Jesus from coming to the air previous to this to bring the CHURCH to heaven.

If you study the rapture - from PAUL - he gives us the timing: a moment before God's wrath is poured out. Or I could say a moment before the Day of the Lord begins - because it is saying the same thing. Paul tells us that at that moment in time - one moment after the dead in Christ rise - two groups of people get two different results: those living in Christ get raptured, so MISS the sudden destruction. But those living in Darkness are left behind and cannot escape the sudden destruction - a worldwide earthquake caused when the dead in Christ rise. Paul tells us that the sudden destruction is the wrath of God.

Therefore the rapture - Paul's gathering - will come a moment before the earthquake at the 6th seal where God's wrath begins. 2 thes 2 agrees: the church is "taken out of the way" as in the rapture, before the man of sin can be revealed. John agrees too, for he saw the raptured church in heaven (the great crowd too large to number) just after the 6th seal events. We have three witnesses to a pretrib rapture. (The "trib" begins with the 30 minutes of silence at the 7th seal.)

Then when we study chapter 19, we see that the church is already there in heaven when the marriage and supper take place - IN HEAVEN. Now we have four witnesses.

Therefore I disagree with your post.

 

[for_his_glory]

lecoop

We need to keep in mind that all the visions that John was given were given him on the Isle of Patmos as he was being held a prisoner there for preaching the word of God in the Roman province of Asia. John was only in the Spirit and never caught up to heaven where God sits on His throne, John 3:13. Everything that John was given in his visions he was told to write them down and send them as letters to the seven churches in Asia, Rev 1:9-11. He had to sneek those letters out by the hands of those God sent to him that worked on the merchant boats sent to Patmos. This youcan look up.

The Lord's day only appears once in scripture in Rev 1:10. It gives no reference to what day of the week it was as every day is the Lord's day, but more specific is also referred to the Sabbath day in Mark 16:9; Acts 2:42; 20:7; 1Corinthians 16:1,2. Sabbath day is from sundown on Friday unto sundown on Saturday and has nothing to do with Sunday.

The phrase the day of the Lord” is used nineteen times in the Old Testament (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and five times in the New Testament (Acts 2:20; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev 1:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14).

Rev Chapters 2, 3 John was given the meaning of the the vision given him being the mystery of the seven stars being the seven angels over the churches in Asia and the seven candlesticks being those seven churches as the seven angels were sent out to the seven churches in Asia with a message from God, Rev 1:20.

Rev Chapter 4 Instructions to the seven Churches have been issued for edification and warnings of Gods chastisements and now John sees a vision of a door opening before him. The first voice he heard speaking to him was that of great power and authority similar to the powerful sound a trumpet makes. The voice tells John to draw in closer to Gods Spirit to see the visions of those things that are yet future. After hearing this voice John was immediately immersed in the Holy Spirit and saw a throne was set in heaven and the Lord sat on it, Isaiah 6:1. God was being compared to a jasper and a sardine stone in all their splendor and beauty.

Rev 5 has nothing to do with the throne room of God while Jesus was still on the earth as Jesus has always from the foundation of the world worthy of opening the seven seals.

In Rev 1:10 John never said the day was Sunday when he started to receive these vision, but was in the Lords day meaning God's timing to reveal these visions while John was confined on the Isle of Patmos. Not all commentaries are correct, but only taken from many bandwagon theories. The sixth seal in Rev 6:12-17 mentions nothing of the day of the Lord, but only the description given to John of what was contained in the sixth seal.

John was only in the Spirit as his physical body is on the Isle of Patmos when he received these visions. Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet.

The last day is found in Matthew 24:29-31; John 5:28, 29; John 6:40 and Rev 19:11-21. It is the last day of the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy when Christ returns. This takes place after the vial judgments are poured out on those who have followed after the beast out of the sea and out of the earth and have taken the mark of the beast that is described in Rev 13. After this 3 1/2 year reign of the beast will the events of Matthew 24:29-31 begin when Christ returns to destroy the beast and its false prophet casting them into the lake of fire and all that have followed after the beast, as we who are in Christ, both alive at His coming and those who sleep in the grave, will be caught up to the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and ever more will be with Him, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21.

I use to believe in the rapture theory as I believed everything that came out from the pulpit, but the more I studied this the more I saw that it is not found anywhere in scripture when you put the full context together.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

This verse alone tells us no one that has ever died as gone up to heaven as it is only the very breath/spirit that made us a living soul that goes back to God who gave it, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7.

 

[John Prewett]

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After this 3 1/2 year reign of the beast will the events of Matthew 24:29-31 begin when Christ returns to destroy the beast and its false prophet casting them into the lake of fire and all that have followed after the beast, as we who are in Christ, both alive at His coming and those who sleep in the grave, will be caught up to the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and ever more will be with Him, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21 ......................

Paul's version shows Christ coming FOR His Church/saints/people.
Revelation 19 shows Christ coming WITH His Church/saints/people.

Paul's version took place some 2000 years ago.
Revelation 19 version is soon (few years) to come.

Note Revelation 15 places the saved ("those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name,") in heaven with Jesus.

Paul's version has NOTHING about the reign of the Beast
because Paul was NOT writing about OUR end of era scenario.

 

[for_his_glory]

Note Revelation 15 places the saved ("those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name,") in heaven with Jesus.

John 3:13 Jesus said that no one has ever ascended up to heaven, but only He himself. The only thing that returns back to God when we die is the very breath/spirit He breathed in us making us a living soul, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7.

Rev 19 reveals that the timing of the marriage supper of the Lamb is ready to take place as Christ comes down from heaven with His army of angels, not the saints of God, being dressed in the righteosness of God (clothed in fine linen, white and clean). At this time Jesus destroys the beast and the false prophet casting them into the lake of fire and all those who have followed after the beast and have taken it's mark.

No where in Rev 15 does it say the saints of God are in heaven as this is a vision given to John of those who have the victory over the beast as they refused to take its mark. The sea of glass symbolizes the vastness of Gods holiness and purity that is a place in our heart of peace and restful assurance. It is a place of safety as we endure our time here on earth trusting God in all things until the coming of the Lord as we have been warned to flee from the abomination that causes desolation which is the Luciferians New World Order, Matthew 24:13-22. Those who are still alive and in Christ are kept in the safety of Gods protection, Psalms 91, from the last seven plagues harming them as they are sealed by the Holy Spirit, 2 Corinthians 1:22, unto the day of redemption when at that time Jesus will return in the air for His Bride that has made herself ready.

The sea of glass mingled with fire is like that of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego that were of Gods purity as they abide in great faith and trust in the Lord as they were unharmed in Nebuchadnezzar's fiery furnace as they refused to bow down and worship the golden image Nebuchadnezzar had made, Daniel chapter 3. The same will be during the last seven vial judgments that those who have not died a martyrs death and have kept their faith and trust in Jesus will come out of the fiery indignation of God unharmed and will be with the Lord forever.

Back in Revelation 14:3 we read about those before the throne of God singing a new song that no man could learn. They who are singing this song are those whose bodies have returned back to the dust of the ground and their spirit has gone back to God who gave it as they sing the song of triumph as they have been redeemed of the Lord, Ecclesiastes 12:7; 1 Corinthians 15:55 . Those who are in Christ that are still alive during these last seven vial judgments of God will soon learn the song of Moses as God makes an end to all things here on earth and then we will be with the Lord forever before His glorious throne, Exodus 15:1.

Matthew 24:29-31; John 5:28, 29; John 6:40; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 all happens on the last day when Christ returns and those who are Christ's own will He send His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather them together to meet the Lord in the air when He returns.

You keep speaking about Paul's version that shows Christ coming for His Church/saints/people. Can you give me those scriptures you are talking about?

 

[John Prewett]

............... No where in Rev 15 does it say the saints of God are in heaven .............

"And I saw another sign in heaven, ......." Revelation 15:1

".... in heaven, ...."
".... in heaven, ...."
".... in heaven, ...."

"And I saw another sign in heaven, ............. 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." Rev 15:1-2

 

[for_his_glory]

"And I saw another sign in heaven, ......." Revelation 15:1

".... in heaven, ...."
".... in heaven, ...."
".... in heaven, ...."

"And I saw another sign in heaven, ............. 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." Rev 15:1-2

Rev 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Vs. 1 is what John's vision showed him. The rest I have already explained in post #26 with the full context of the scriptures. All John saw in his vision was those who had gotten the victory over the beast for at the time of his vision the beast out of the sea and out of the earth with its mark of the beast had not occurred yet as this is still in the future.

 

[John Prewett]

O

Rev 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Vs. 1 is what John's vision showed him. The rest I have already explained in post #26 with the full context of the scriptures. All John saw in his vision was those who had gotten the victory over the beast for at the time of his vision the beast out of the sea and out of the earth with its mark of the beast had not occurred yet as this is still in the future.

Obviously the Rev 15 vision of the saved in heaven is of the future, and before the saved follow Jesus back to this world as per Rev 19 and then "reign with Christ" as per Revelation 20:4.

 

[for_his_glory]

O


Obviously the Rev 15 vision of the saved in heaven is of the future, and before the saved follow Jesus back to this world as per Rev 19 and then "reign with Christ" as per Revelation 20:4.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

No one means no one as all who are of faith that have ever died still sleep in their grave until the coming of the Lord on the last day. The only thing that returns back to God is the very breath/spirit He gives that makes us a living soul, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

In John's vision in Rev 20:1-9 he sees thrones and those who sat upon them were those who were beheaded for their witness and testimony of Christ as they did not take the mark of the beast, Rev 13:11-18. They died a martyr's death and their souls now joined with those souls of those who also died a martyr's death and seen of John’s vision waiting under the altar to be avenged, Rev 6:9-11.

Now the time of fulfillment will have come as judgment on those who have persecuted them to death also will have come and all are now avenged for the blood they spilled for their witness and testimony for the sake of Christ and not only those who were persecuted to death, but all the saints of God from the beginning of time and those who are still alive at the coming of Christ are all a part of the first resurrection being the first fruits of His creatures, Daniel 12:1-4; John 6:40; John 5:28, 29; James 1:8; Romans 8:23.

 

[John Prewett]

Reminder: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show to His servants things which must soon take place. He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bears record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written in it, for the time is near." Revelation 1:1-3

John Prewett posted: Obviously the Rev 15 vision of the saved in heaven is of the future, and before the saved follow Jesus back to this world as per Rev 19 and then "reign with Christ" as per Revelation 20:4.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven,
but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
No one means no one as all who are of faith that have ever died still sleep in their grave until the coming of the Lord on the last day. ...................................

Your interpretation of out of context scripture nullifies what Revelation 15 reveals,
thus your interpretation must be erroneous.

The only way it all fits together is simple and as follows.
During the reign of the Beast the saved of our era will be beheaded
Upon being beheaded the saints will gather in heaven as per Revelation 15.
Short time later the saints will follow Jesus back to earth as per Rev 19
and then "reign with Christ" as per 20:4.

You cannot harmonize Revelation 13->forward any other way.

Furthermore, people fit to be called Christians wouldn't want it any other way.

 

[for_his_glory]

Reminder: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show to His servants things which must soon take place. He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bears record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written in it, for the time is near." Revelation 1:1-3

John Prewett posted: Obviously the Rev 15 vision of the saved in heaven is of the future, and before the saved follow Jesus back to this world as per Rev 19 and then "reign with Christ" as per Revelation 20:4.



Your interpretation of out of context scripture nullifies what Revelation 15 reveals,
thus your interpretation must be erroneous.

The only way it all fits together is simple and as follows.
During the reign of the Beast the saved of our era will be beheaded
Upon being beheaded the saints will gather in heaven as per Revelation 15.
Short time later the saints will follow Jesus back to earth as per Rev 19
and then "reign with Christ" as per 20:4.

You cannot harmonize Revelation 13->forward any other way.

Furthermore, people fit to be called Christians wouldn't want it any other way.

Please refrain from calling what another believes as being erroneous just because they do not agree with you as that is not showing good fruits within you as you are diminishing another brother or sister. This is not pleasing to the Lord.

So you choose to disregard Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7; Matthew 24:29-31; John 3:13, 5:28, 29; 6:40; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:14 which all teach us that Jesus returns on the last day with His army of angels from heaven. Then those who are still alive at His coming will be gather together with those who He calls to rise from their graves as we who are Christ's own are all then changed to meet Him in the air.

 

[John Prewett]

Please refrain from calling what another believes as being erroneous just because they do not agree with you....."

Revelation 15 reveals the saved (who have overcome the Beast-marking) in heaven.
Revelation 20:4 reveals the saved (who have overcome the Beast-marking)
on earth seated on thrones beginning to "reign with Christ".
Thus these saved ("in white linen" ) must have followed Jesus from heaven to earth.

Your interpretation of out of context scripture nullifies what Revelation 15 reveals,
thus your interpretation must be erroneous.

You (like many) are in error because you insist on thinking Paul was writing about OUR end of era scenario when in fact Paul was writing about the ancient Israel end time scenario which took place around 2000 years ago.

 

[for_his_glory]

Revelation 15 reveals the saved (who have overcome the Beast-marking) in heaven.
Revelation 20:4 reveals the saved (who have overcome the Beast-marking)
on earth seated on thrones beginning to "reign with Christ".
Thus these saved ("in white linen" ) must have followed Jesus from heaven to earth.

Your interpretation of out of context scripture nullifies what Revelation 15 reveals,
thus your interpretation must be erroneous.

You (like many) are in error because you insist on thinking Paul was writing about OUR end of era scenario when in fact Paul was writing about the ancient Israel end time scenario which took place around 2000 years ago.

You can believe the teachings given on the website you like to display and I will believe the full context of all the scriptures I have given that show no one has ever ascended up to heaven when they died, other than Christ being the only one that has ever ascended up to heaven.

 

[JohnDB]

The Day of the Lord
Year of God's favor...

How long is it going to last?

Yes.

The metaphoric expression answer is "one day"

The real answer without metaphor is going to take a bit longer to explain.

Jesus is the Alpha and Omega.
Besherith is the transliteration of the Hebrew word for "in the beginning" or more commonly known Latin word "Genesis".

And God is trying to tell us something...
There was no beginning without him. There will be no ending without him either. All points in between are under God's Sovereignty as well.

What isn't readily comprehended by most every eschatology scholar is the mathematical/physical science of being outside of the constraints of time. Moving through time in the same fashion someone might move across the room is a reality when being face to face with God.

Then someone has to try and relate to others about a future prophecy concerning the "end of time" from a perspective of not being bound by it's constraints.
And the whole science fiction notion of time travel hasn't been developed as yet.

So to say that descriptions are going to be a bit vague is a gross understatement. Nailing down a precise time is also a bit like nailing jello.

Let's put it this way.
Currently, in today's modern world, the requirements for Jesus'return according to the highly metaphoric scriptures is acceptable any day now. The only thing holding back God is God.

But the main point I wish to make is that we can't have a common reference point from Which to tell or understand from. No language we have can really explain it.

 

[for_his_glory]

Now this is what I'm asking. We who are alive when Jesus returnes will be changed.
Here is my question.

How long will that take?

Going back to your question in the OP no one knows or could know how long this would take. All we know is that of the sign given by Christ in Matthew 24:29-31 and what is given in 1 Corinthians 15:51, 52 is in the realm of God's timing, not ours. The main point is to be prepared as His Bride before He returns as our treasures are stored up in heaven as Jesus brings His rewards with Him.

 

[John Prewett]

You can believe the teachings given on the website you like to display and I will believe the full context of all the scriptures I have given that show no one has ever ascended up to heaven when they died, other than Christ being the only one that has ever ascended up to heaven.

Regardless of the whereabouts of saints/saved of the past ......

Revelation 15 reveals the saved (who have overcome the Beast-marking) in heaven.

All the out of context scripture you interpret cannot nullify what Revelation 15 reveals.

15 I saw another great and marvelous sign in heaven: ........... 2 And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God"

People on the way to reigning with Christ will believe/heed the God-sent Revelation.
People disregarding the God-sent Revelation (and teaching others to do same)
are on their way to eternal pain.

Of all that I post, ONLY SCRIPTURE is copy/pasted.
None of my commentary come from some fictional website that you have invented.

 

[for_his_glory]

Regardless of the whereabouts of saints/saved of the past ......

Revelation 15 reveals the saved (who have overcome the Beast-marking) in heaven.

All the out of context scripture you interpret cannot nullify what Revelation 15 reveals.

15 I saw another great and marvelous sign in heaven: ........... 2 And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God"

People on the way to reigning with Christ will believe/heed the God-sent Revelation.
People disregarding the God-sent Revelation (and teaching others to do same)
are on their way to eternal pain.

Of all that I post, ONLY SCRIPTURE is copy/pasted.
None of my commentary come from some fictional website that you have invented.

...................You have a good day sir.

 

[Who Me]

Going back to your question in the OP no one knows or could know how long this would take. All we know is that of the sign given by Christ in Matthew 24:29-31 and what is given in 1 Corinthians 15:51, 52 is in the realm of God's timing, not ours. The main point is to be prepared as His Bride before He returns as our treasures are stored up in heaven as Jesus brings His rewards with Him.

You say no one can know how long it will take for us to change, yet the verse you quote saysin an 'instant'.
Many say that the clear mention of days in genesis actually means millions of years, so how long is an 'instant'

Or are those who believe in millions of years deluded, not knowing the powr of scripture.

 

[for_his_glory]

You say no one can know how long it will take for us to change, yet the verse you quote saysin an 'instant'.
Many say that the clear mention of days in genesis actually means millions of years, so how long is an 'instant'

Or are those who believe in millions of years deluded, not knowing the powr of scripture.

Instant is a small period of time and can not be measured within seconds or minutes. Theory teaches million of years, science teaches million of years, but yet all is not actuality, but only speculation according to mans gap theory.