[_ Old Earth _] The earth is billions of years old, except that its not.

[Featherbop]

For one thing, the Himalayas, which are still rising from the still observable movement of the Indian plate against the Eurasian Plate, could not have formed in that time. Yet they formed.

I would think a great deal of people would beleive the himalayas(and other mountains, etc) to be created as mountains, and not forming within 6000-10000 years. I don't see why the need to let them form, instead of creating them as mountains.

 

[Routerider]

For one thing, the Himalayas, which are still rising from the still observable movement of the Indian plate against the Eurasian Plate, could not have formed in that time. Yet they formed.

I would think a great deal of people would beleive the himalayas(and other mountains, etc) to be created as mountains, and not forming within 6000-10000 years. I don't see why the need to let them form, instead of creating them as mountains.

If this is true then the global flood was one big doozy, I'm often told by YEC's that there were no large mountains prior to the flood....this helps their problem of the incredible amount of water needed to be 15 cubits above the highest mountain.

 

[Guest]

Circular arguments don't make any sense to me

They don't make sense to us either. Please stop using them.

:B-fly: Sure,lead the way!

 

[Guest]

If you're a science teacher, they expect you to teach science. That's how it is. There's no point in saying you don't believe what scientists have found. You can't teach history and claim that Jefferson wrote the Magna Carta, either.

YE creationism is indeed a latter-day doctrine, borrowed from the 7th-Day Adventists. You would be wise not to scoff.[/quote]

:angel: I suppose then,that anyone who comes up with their own theories can be a science teacher,right?
Darwin was not a real science teacher,he had no teaching in science,and he had no degree in science. All he trained for was theology.
Today,we have liberal teachers who teach on everything,and most of what they teach is biased based on what the individual teacher wants to believe,not what is based on fact or actual evidence.

 

[Routerider]

:angel: I suppose then,that anyone who comes up with their own theories can be a science teacher,right?
Darwin was not a real science teacher,he had no teaching in science,and he had no degree in science. All he trained for was theology.
Today,we have liberal teachers who teach on everything,and most of what they teach is biased based on what the individual teacher wants to believe,not what is based on fact or actual evidence.

So you're suggesting that tens of thousands of teachers across the nation are intellectually dishonest? If I were a teacher and I truly believed that evolution was false [macro-evolution] I would not teach at a facility that required me to teach it as fact. It's a simple as that.

If there are teachers out there that are teaching evolution because it's what they WANT to believe [cognative dissonance] then they should be ashamed.

 

[Guest]

So you're suggesting that tens of thousands of teachers across the nation are intellectually dishonest? If I were a teacher and I truly believed that evolution was false [macro-evolution] I would not teach at a facility that required me to teach it as fact. It's a simple as that.

If there are teachers out there that are teaching evolution because it's what they WANT to believe [cognative dissonance] then they should be ashamed.[/quote]

:B-fly: Not at all,I am not saying that,I am just saying that there are
way too many who do,do that. They give their interpretation of what they
feel everything means based on how they personally see the world.The world is extremly liberal today,and many teachers today feel it's there right to be free to teach how they feel,and what they want to teach. Many don't agree with one another.

 

[Barbarian]

I know a teacher who disagrees with evolution, and yet she teaches science. Fortunately, evoluition isn't in the curriculum for her grade. I suppose that there must be some teacher somewhere, who doesn't accept evolution, but teaches it.

It must be like teaching math, while believing 2+2 = 5

 

[Featherbop]

I think the simple solution would be that someone who doesn't beleive in evolution, if they are a teacher, needs not to teach evolution, or if they "have" to, either quit, or teach something they don't beleive. It all depends on a personal, moral decision.

 

[cubedbee]

Why can't a non-believing science teacher start out her lesson by saying "Evolution is a theory, not a proven fact and not believed by everyone. However, most scientists accept it as true and we are going to study the evidence in favor of evolution" ?

 

[Wertbag]

now, if you put in acount for the great flood, which can also be proven.

The global flood is still far from proven. I've yet to hear answers to the numerous problems with the story. If you have some new answers (rather than the same old often shot down ones) then please let us know.

 

[Barbarian]

Here's a place to start:

Explain how a feature like this could form in a single flood, lasting about a year.

 

[Wertbag]

Beautiful place, where is that?

 

[Featherbop]

The grand canyon?

 

[Guest]

Why can't a non-believing science teacher start out her lesson by saying "Evolution is a theory, not a proven fact and not believed by everyone. However, most scientists accept it as true and we are going to study the evidence in favor of evolution" ?

:angel: Because that would be a lie! Most teachers have to teach evolution as a fact or lose their job. Many scientists would disagree with you strongly if you said most of them believed evolution!!!
The liberal world accepts evolution like it also accepts abortion,gay marriage,ect....

 

[Guest]

Here's a place to start:

Explain how a feature like this could form in a single flood, lasting about a year.

:B-fly: Actually,This place supports the flood of The bible,and if you research on it,you shall learn exactly why.

 

[Quath]

:angel: Because that would be a lie! Most teachers have to teach evolution as a fact or lose their job. Many scientists would disagree with you strongly if you said most of them believed evolution!!!
The liberal world accepts evolution like it also accepts abortion,gay marriage,ect....

Teachers have to teach evolution as science, not as fact. What kind of science class would it be for the teacher to constantly stop and state stuff like "The theory of gravity is just a theory. It is not a fact." Remember, that Christiansity has a horrible track record in predicting science. At least we are no longer arguing over flat Earth or if the Earth moves or not.

Actually,This place supports the flood of The bible,and if you research on it,you shall learn exactly why.

Heh. It is also evidence against the flood. If this canyon was produced by the flood, then the whole Earth should be littered in them.

Quath

 

[Guest]

The Bible has always been right,and has always proven man wrong.Archeaologists still depend on the bible,and the bible has helped the medical profession greatly over many hundreds of years.

I have heard that flat earth and round sphere arguement,and I don't get where that arguement comes from?

God does expect us to use common sense. The bible says the earth is round,but some people take the four corners of the earth way too serious. The bible is a literal book,but some people go way too far with it. God gave us common sense.
The four corners simply means north,east,west and south.
The bible will always prove right and every man will be proven a liar.

 

[Guest]

Actually,This place supports the flood of The bible,and if you research on it,you shall learn exactly why.[/quote]
Heh. It is also evidence against the flood. If this canyon was produced by the flood, then the whole Earth should be littered in them.

Quath[/quote]

:B-fly: Greater study and you'll seen see why it supports the flood.
It is a shame that in the schools today,some teachers want to teach evolution as fact just like many sex educators teach that homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors are natural and normal too,but we know that these behaviors are not natural,normal or good for people. The world will argue and say that they are.
We can't all be right!
I believe that God is always right,and we should accept what the word says,and go on.
you can study the bible without being critical of the bible in a negative sense. If you are looking for ways to make the bible support what your heart wants to believe,you can pretend it says all sorts of things.

 

[Arnold Philips]

:B-fly: Greater study and you'll seen see why it supports the flood.

I think you mean to say: Screw with the data enough to where it appears to support creationist junk-science.

It is a shame that in the schools today,some teachers want to teach evolution as fact just like many sex educators teach that homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors are natural and normal too,but we know that these behaviors are not natural,normal or good for people. The world will argue and say that they are.
We can't all be right!

You're welcome to stay insulated in your fantasy world where left=right and up=down as long as you wish, but just don't expect to take you seriously when you impose your fantasy on us.

I believe that God is always right,and we should accept what the word says,and go on.

I think you mean to say: I believe I am always right, and we should accept what I think the word says, and go on.

you can study the bible without being critical of the bible in a negative sense.

We have to be critical of the Bible if we as Christians are to take ourselves seriously.

If you are looking for ways to make the bible support what your heart wants to believe,you can pretend it says all sorts of things.

Irony much?

 

[Quath]

The Bible has always been right,and has always proven man wrong.Archeaologists still depend on the bible,and the bible has helped the medical profession greatly over many hundreds of years.

I have heard that flat earth and round sphere arguement,and I don't get where that arguement comes from?

Satan showed Jesus the whole world from a mountain top. This is impossible on a spherical world.

The OT says that there is a flattened dome over the Earth called the firmament. On top of this dome is the treasuries of snow, ice and rain. So when God flooded the Earth, he just opened the firmament.

From the New Testament, we learn that diseases are caused by demons, not viruses nor bacteria. Many people were killed to drive out demons based on the Bible.

When Copernicus said the Earth moved around the sun, people started to quote the Bible and said that God stopped the sun for Joshua, not the Earth.

It goes on and on. The Bible has a poor track record with respect to science.

Greater study and you'll seen see why it supports the flood.
It is a shame that in the schools today,some teachers want to teach evolution as fact just like many sex educators teach that homosexual and bi-sexual behaviors are natural and normal too,but we know that these behaviors are not natural,normal or good for people. The world will argue and say that they are.

I have done great study and I found the Bible very incompatible with science. You have to weaken the Bible to account for the billion+ year old world and the huge universe.

I know it was an aside to throw in homosexuality being unnatural. I guess you had better inform God that at least 300 to 450 animal species have been documented to show homosexual behavior. So God's nature seems to be quite unnatural.

Quath