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the final fifth kingdom that follows the four of Daniels, is spiritual

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I trust Him in faith. I believe what He says... I see the world about me... But we know who holds tomorrow. My glass is half full not half empty... My joy, salvation, tomorrows, resurrection, etc is in Him.
thats wonderful but it does not answer the question
 

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thats wonderful but it does not answer the question
Yes it does here is your question....
and yet satan is still at work.......what do you make of this conundrum?

What i make of the conundrum is this......I trust Him in faith. I believe what He says... I see the world about me... But we know who holds tomorrow. My glass is half full not half empty... My joy, salvation, tomorrows, resurrection, etc is in Him.

Maybe I did not understand your question :)
 

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This is a wonderful statement. Yet, let me offer a slightly different perspective on it. My glass is full. Half filled with the water (of life) and half full with the breath of life. Interesting.
Very cool Ed :)
 

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Yes it does here is your question....



What i make of the conundrum is this......I trust Him in faith. I believe what He says... I see the world about me... But we know who holds tomorrow. My glass is half full not half empty... My joy, salvation, tomorrows, resurrection, etc is in Him.

Maybe I did not understand your question :)


certianly we all understand that God is Sovereign and in complete control, yet the blatant fact remains He allows satan to steal, kill and destroy, either this fact is true or it is not.

we know from the bible we are all suseptable to his deceptions, and are warned over and over about his workings, much like any one sided doctrine just acknowledging one without the other is always going to lead into trouble
 

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certianly we all understand that God is Sovereign and in complete control, yet the blatant fact remains He allows satan to steal, kill and destroy, either this fact is true or it is not.

we know from the bible we are all suseptable to his deceptions, and are warned over and over about his workings, much like any one sided doctrine just acknowledging one without the other is always going to lead into trouble
Satan has power over unbelievers only (2 Cor 4:4). We are no longer under his rule (Col 1:13).
 

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Satan has power over unbelievers only (2 Cor 4:4). We are no longer under his rule (Col 1:13).


this is true, but a Christian can be and many are deceived into believing they are not free from his rule, which is why so many Christians struggle with so many sins, alot of them addictions, the bible refers to the "deceitfulness of sin" sin is always a deception
 

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but returning to the subject the final Kingdom is the one that God sets up in the time of those kings (the time of the four previous kingdoms)

we plainly see that God's kingdom is BOTH spiritual and manifest itself with every real believer

God's kingdom has no borders or boundries, It has no flag or national song

the four previous kingdoms I contend will be both spiritual and manifest themselves in the same way with real human beings being apart of them
 

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Very plainly the Scriptures tell us what the Kingdom of God is....

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
 

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Very plainly the Scriptures tell us what the Kingdom of God is....

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


are you apart of the kingdom of God?
 

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Yup by His Grace



Php_1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
 

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Yup by His Grace



Php_1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
then the kingdom of God is a real kingdom made up of real people, much like the former four kingdoms that rise in the time of God building his kingdom, If God is building His kingdom it only makes sense that the four kingdoms in opposition to God's kingdom will be satanic kingdoms that are made up of real people much like yourself, a real person that is part of a spiritual kingdom

Its easy for you to grasp you are apart of God's kingdom.........its just as easy for these others to know what kingdom they're apart of, only they not as open about it as you are to your's
 

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then the kingdom of God is a real kingdom made up of real people, much like the former four kingdoms that rise in the time of God building his kingdom, If God is building His kingdom it only makes sense that the four kingdoms in opposition to God's kingdom will be satanic kingdoms that are made up of real people much like yourself, a real person that is part of a spiritual kingdom
If this post happens to be directed at me as far as His Kingdom goes we agree.....Yes He has a kingdom and He is King! I don't view His Kingdom as a place with a palace all that kinds stuff His Word tells us what His kingdom is.....

IMO... Daniel was in His kingdom while Dan's body was in captivity same as
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego....John while on Patmos .... Christians today around the world....
 

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If this post happens to be directed at me as far as His Kingdom goes we agree.....Yes He has a kingdom and He is King! I don't view His Kingdom as a place with a palace all that kinds stuff His Word tells us what His kingdom is.....

IMO... Daniel was in His kingdom while Dan's body was in captivity same as
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego....John while on Patmos .... Christians today around the world....
really so when the bible says God sits on His throne you don't believe He actually has a throne?

Psalms 47:8
God reigns over the nations;
God sits on His holy throne.

actually the bible teaches what His kingdom is like in human terms, since the spiritual is unseen to us in this present day, does in no way mean it doesn't really exist
 

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really so when the bible says God sits on His throne you don't believe He actually has a throne?

Psalms 47:8
God reigns over the nations;
God sits on His holy throne.

actually the bible teaches what His kingdom is like in human terms, since the spiritual is unseen to us in this present day, does in no way mean it doesn't really exist
Throne as in a fancy chair? do chairs have a voice ?
Rev_19:5
And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.


A 'chair " as a head of the river of life?
Rev_22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

A throne as a 'place' of majesty and honor would be where ever He is .
 

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jews believe in both. they believed and would tell me today that I was at horeb when the law was given.

the bible teaches isreal was both. it was a real nation indeed but the people not the land had the eternal reward with god. God didn't redeem land but the people on the land. yes he will restore the earth but the curse was for men to come to him.
 

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Satan would love for you to believe that he is the god of the world. Now consider the difference between 'the world' and 'this world'.
I am talking about this world...not sure what world you are talking about but let us talk about this one shall we? Now read 2 Corinthians 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Is that good enough for you?? If scripture itself will not convince nothing i can say will either so i guess we will just have to agree to disagree.:)
 

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Why say 'this' world? Why not just say 'the' world? Clearly 'this' world implies that there is also 'that' world or even 'those' worlds.
 

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