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[ Young Earth ] the jews and sages believed beersherith(genesis for you gentiles) was to be taken..

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Re: the jews and sages believed beersherith(genesis for you gentiles) was to be taken

I've loved science from youth and still enjoy those parts that help me express my inquisitive nature. As to why some may think differently? How about a little story from my growing up: As a child my family gathered at the Sunday dinner table each week. Sunday dinner was something that my parents were convinced was necessary, and it would have been more than once a week if my dad didn't have an evening job, I'm sure. But there we were, all seven of us, each week, joined together at the meal. The television was sometimes allowed to be on in the background, not often, and if it was it would be tuned to the "Wonderful World of Color (Disney)" at the request of the children. I can remember only one exception, when we watched the Ed Sullivan Show at the insistence of my sister during the start of BeatleMania.

I guess, my point is that each person at that common table was different. I was the "black sheep" being formed and would rebel by not eating any food that touched any other on my plate. Some might rightly call me "a handful" but my sis simply called me "Brat". My sisters would occasionally talk about their days at school and my younger brother (six years my younger) would get most of my oldest sister's (twelve years my senior) attentions. So, there's the setting and now we begin to consider something that I've so often wondered about. Each person partook of the same food, the same conversations and each person arose with a different perspective. My oldest sister, Dee, was timid as a child. Stories of her literally being afraid to jump off of the grand heights of a Sunday newspaper were told (although I didn't witness it). My youngest older sister was innocent in all her beliefs and even though I was four years her junior I was astonished at some of the things she would blurt out. If, for instance, during the time that she was a growing young lady, and after having gone out with her sisters to a dance, if one of the boys perchance had kissed her on the cheek, her blushing (almost guilty?) confession was sure to follow.

How then could each of us come away so different? It's a marvel, isn't it?

Okay, but enough about them, what about me? As I've said, I loved science from youth. What I didn't say is that the meaning of my name was part of the wonder of it all. "Michael" is an exclamation. It means, "Who is like God!?" My inquisitive mind was thirsty for knowledge of all sorts because of the intrinsic value of it. Knowing more about what He did, shows more about who He is. I've also had the pleasure of attending a non-accredited Bible College in my late teens where a Holy Spirit inspired teacher was called to teach. Michael Sabourin graduated from UofW with honors (Summa cum laude), and taught a series of classes called "Evolution Refutation I and II and III". He taught other things as well but back in the early 70's it was my pleasure to sit in attendance in the small classroom where all manner of questions were encouraged.

The bible study based college has since been unincorporated, due to sin in the leadership, but the Holy Spirit inspired teaching and instructions remain alive in me today. I think that each person's perspective is formed by a variety of factors. Perhaps, like me, some may have identified at least in part with the people who delivered inspirational messages. Hearing and believing are closely associated and it seems reasonable to me that many will have differing thoughts (and differing depths of thought) about the Lord and His wondrous works.

As you say "science runs on a lot of assumptions" about 1956 in class i remember the text book with the picture of dino and mans foot prints in the same mud.

Paluxy River Valley (a.k.a. "Dinosaur Valley State Park") in Texas maybe?
 
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Re: the jews and sages believed beersherith(genesis for you gentiles) was to be taken

man I haven't read this in a while. the image of god what is that? I have stated what ramaban believes but the church teaches we are a triune being in general. which we aren't.
 
Re: the jews and sages believed beersherith(genesis for you gentiles) was to be taken

My simple thought about the "image of God" in us is that we are not who we shall be. If we continue and abide in love then shall our Lord continue with us and we shall be changed from glory to glory through the Name of Jesus into that which our Lord calls "mature" or perfected. Who may claim this now? Only those who do so in trust of what the Lord shall accomplish, right?

For we see not clearly but through a glass, darkly (or through a dark glass). Then shall we be like Him even though at the moment we do not know what we shall be.

I love how God only is "I am who I am," and my thought is: "I am not yet whom I shall be, but we have been called a Child of God and taught to trust that His Grace is sufficient."
 
Re: the jews and sages believed beersherith(genesis for you gentiles) was to be taken

none of us knows what the original adam's reflection of god really was fully.
 
Re: the jews and sages believed beersherith(genesis for you gentiles) was to be taken

I shy away from Rambam and lean towards Bamram.

Moshe b' Amram... :wave

Exodus 6:20 (NASB95)
20 Amram married his father’s sister Jochebed, and she bore him Aaron and Moses; and the length of Amram’s life was one hundred and thirty-seven years.
 
Re: the jews and sages believed beersherith(genesis for you gentiles) was to be taken

As far as creation days, I believe God could have created any number of physical universe he wished in an instant. Universes appearing to be billions and trillions of years old in an instant a nanosecond.

Look at Adam, he was a mensch at day one.

Eve not so meeskait her first day out.

Fully functional fully adult day one. Not infants or apes or microbes...

But God was setting up an integrated message system (his Word) and he built into creation things like the various time tables (the 7 day week) and how he went about it was "six days shall ye work but the seventh day is a shabbos unto the LORD).

Think not?

When was the sun created?

Day one?

No.

On day 4.

The days were still days... but something different than growing a universe from grandmommy and granddaddy hydrogen atoms (which evolutionists regress to in their infinite regress argument... but none of them can explain where the atoms came from)...

In other words the texts speaks of an almighty intelligence designing all things in a very deliberate way to show prophetic meaning in advance of what he has planned...

NO evolutionist model comes close to this or ever could. Evolving cannot anticipate.

All (macro) evolution is... is trying to convince one's self there is no God by ramming it down everyone else's throats as if bullying made any thing true or factual.
 
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