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1 Cor 15: 52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Notice carefully, "at the last trump". It is not trumpet, but "at the last trump". But, it is made by a trumpet.
Also notice, it doesn't say "angel's trumpet". It just says, "at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound".

In Revelation 8-9 and 11:15, you read about a series of seven trumpet judgments. When that seventh trumpet is blown, post-tribbers say, "Well, that's the last trumpet," when it didn't say "trumpet", it said "trump". The last trumpet is blown by an angel. The seventh trumpet of Revelation 11:15 is not "the last trump" of 1 Cor 15: 52. In Revelation 11:15, there is the seventh angel blowing the seventh trumpet, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord". The seventh trumpet of Revelation 11:15 ends the Tribulation and begins the Millennium. It doesn't catch up anybody.

The seventh trumpet comes after a rapture. Notice in Revelation 11:12, "Come up hither". Moses and Elijah are raptured before the last trumpet. So the seventh trumpet as nothing to do with any rapture.

In 1 Thess 4:16, the trumpet that calls you up is not a trumpet blown by an angel.

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"

And in Revelation 4:1 -
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

1 Cor 15:52, 1 Thess 4:16, and Rev 4:1 as nothing to do with the seventh trumpet in Rev 11:15
 
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Revelation 4:1 - After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Have you considered the source of the first voice? Thanks.
 
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Have you considered the source of the first voice? Thanks.
Sure. The Lord Jesus Christ. Not only will he call you up, but he will call you up by name.
John 10:3 - ...and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

Here is a beautiful picture:
Song of Solomon 2: 8-13
8. The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.
9. My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.
10. My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
11. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;
12. The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;
13. The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away
 
Sure. The Lord Jesus Christ. Not only will he call you up, but he will call you up by name.
John 10:3 - ...and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

Here is a beautiful picture:
Song of Solomon 2: 8-13
8. The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.
9. My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.
10. My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
11. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;
12. The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;
13. The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away
In my opinion you've got it. :thumbsup
 
In Revelation 8-9 and 11:15, you read about a series of seven trumpet judgments. When that seventh trumpet is blown, post-tribbers say, "Well, that's the last trumpet," when it didn't say "trumpet", it said "trump".

It only says "trump" in older translations. "Trump" is an archaic word that can mean either a trumpet, the sound of a trumpet or to make a sound with a trumpet.

trump [truhmp]
Noun
1. a trumpet
2. its sound
verb (used without object)
3. to blow a trumpet

Origin:
1250-1300; (noun) Middle English trompe < Old French < Old High German trumpa, variant of trumba trumpet; (v.) Middle English trompen < Old French tromper, derivative of trompe

Source

You base your theory on the idea that there's a difference between a trump and a trumpet, but there isn't.

The TOG​
 
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound. How come he didn't say, "at the last trump: for the trump shall sound" or "at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound"?

Because he is talking about the sound a trumpet makes.
 
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound. How come he didn't say, "at the last trump: for the trump shall sound" or "at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound"?

Because he is talking about the sound a trumpet makes.

No, it was because the translators knew how to write good, readable English with the vocabulary in use at that time. If you want something to sound good, you should try to avoid too many repetitions. It's often better to use alternate words, as was done in this case. That's not always possible, but it was here, and that's what they did. Using either "trump" or "trumpet" in both cases so close to each other simply doesn't sound good.

The TOG​
 
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, G4536

Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. This would be quite a trumpet indeed to utter this message.

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet G4536 talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

I have no idea concerning these following seven trumpets as to whether there is a voice associated with the sound other that in Rev 8:13. And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. G4536

Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets G4536 prepared themselves to sound.

G4536 Perhaps from σάλος (G4535) (through the idea of quavering or reverberation)
 
The word you refer to (G4536) is "salpigx". It is the same word as is translated "trump" in I Cor. 15.

The TOG​
 
The word you refer to (G4536) is "salpigx". It is the same word as is translated "trump" in I Cor. 15.

The TOG​
You're correct. :) How does it talk discernibly as in Rev 4:1, ". . the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet (G4536) talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And then whose great voice of command would this be?
 
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