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What's interesting is that it says the soul is in the blood. The word translated life is actually the word nephesh, soul.

4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
6 Whoso s (Gen. 9:4-6 KJV)

The words in red are Nephesh, soul. This passage tells us the life, nephesh, is the blood.
OK. I read this again and I still don't really understand it.

That's because I was quoting Genesis 4:10-15 where God tells Cain that Cain's blood is not to be shed.

This is because the life of man is in the blood. This is what I meant.

And even going by Genesis 9, which you're quoting,,,we know that the soul is not in the blood. It's a component of the brain, but it's an invisible component. And even here, the Word is repeating that life (blood) is preciouis to God.
 
OK. I read this again and I still don't really understand it.

That's because I was quoting Genesis 4:10-15 where God tells Cain that Cain's blood is not to be shed.

This is because the life of man is in the blood. This is what I meant.

And even going by Genesis 9, which you're quoting,,,we know that the soul is not in the blood. It's a component of the brain, but it's an invisible component. And even here, the Word is repeating that life (blood) is preciouis to God.

Wondering, you said, "This is because the life of man is in the blood." In the passage I quoted the word life is the word soul. It's nephesh in Hebrew and psuche in Greek. You said the life of man is in the blood. That is correct and what the Bible says. You then said the soul is a component of the brain. It is not. Part of the confusion is that the translators use different words to translate the word Nephesh. It mean soul.
 
Wondering, you said, "This is because the life of man is in the blood." In the passage I quoted the word life is the word soul. It's nephesh in Hebrew and psuche in Greek. You said the life of man is in the blood. That is correct and what the Bible says. You then said the soul is a component of the brain. It is not. Part of the confusion is that the translators use different words to translate the word Nephesh. It mean soul.
Oh my,,,now I'm confused !
The LIFE of man is in the blood.
IF we drain the blood, the body dies.

Now, as to the soul...
where do YOU think the soul is?

WHAT do you think the soul is?
 
Oh my,,,now I'm confused !
The LIFE of man is in the blood.
IF we drain the blood, the body dies.

Now, as to the soul...
where do YOU think the soul is?

WHAT do you think the soul is?

This body/flesh dies and deteriorates as it turns back to dust while in the ground. The breath/spirit goes back to God who gave it, Ecclesiastics 12:7. The soul which makes up the conscious part of ones being is that of thought, action and emotion. The spiritual nature of man regarded as immortal and separable from the body/flesh at death and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.
 
Oh my,,,now I'm confused !
The LIFE of man is in the blood.
IF we drain the blood, the body dies.

Now, as to the soul...
where do YOU think the soul is?

WHAT do you think the soul is?
The soul is the person. According to Gen 2 the soul is the body and the breath or spirit of God combined. However, the word Nephesh, soul, is also translated as life.

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen. 2:7 KJV)

Here we see that the man consists of the dust of the ground. Then God breathed His breath or spirit into the man and the man was transformed into a living soul. So, a soul is the breath or spirit of God and the man, the body. Concretely, nephesh is translated soul. Abstractly it is translated life. In the passage I quoted the word Nephesh is translated life. The nephesh, soul, life, is in the blood.
 
The soul is the person. According to Gen 2 the soul is the body and the breath or spirit of God combined. However, the word Nephesh, soul, is also translated as life.

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen. 2:7 KJV)

Here we see that the man consists of the dust of the ground. Then God breathed His breath or spirit into the man and the man was transformed into a living soul. So, a soul is the breath or spirit of God and the man, the body. Concretely, nephesh is translated soul. Abstractly it is translated life. In the passage I quoted the word Nephesh is translated life. The nephesh, soul, life, is in the blood.
There are two ways to think of man...
Either one could be correct.

1. Man is a dichotomy
BODY
SOUL/SPIRIT

In the dichotomy model the spirit is part of the soul.

2. Man is a trichotomy
BODY
SOUL
SPIRIT

In this model the soul and spirit are separate.

I like the Trichotomy model better because it makes more sense and the separation of the 3 is more easily understood.

As I said in a different post, the soul is part of the brain...
why?
Because it has to do with the will and the emotions...these are functions that have been relegated to the brain.

The Spirit is spirit and is not found in any particular place in the body. God is spirit and is not material (God Father and Holy Ghost).
 
There are two ways to think of man...
Either one could be correct.

1. Man is a dichotomy
BODY
SOUL/SPIRIT

In the dichotomy model the spirit is part of the soul.

2. Man is a trichotomy
BODY
SOUL
SPIRIT

In this model the soul and spirit are separate.

I like the Trichotomy model better because it makes more sense and the separation of the 3 is more easily understood.

As I said in a different post, the soul is part of the brain...
why?
Because it has to do with the will and the emotions...these are functions that have been relegated to the brain.

The Spirit is spirit and is not found in any particular place in the body. God is spirit and is not material (God Father and Holy Ghost).

There aren't two ways to look at a man if we're going by the Scriptures. Gen 2:7 tells us that God created the man from the dust of the earth. So, man consists of the dust or elements of the earth. That's all. Nothing else is mentioned. We're then told that God breathed His breath or spirit into the man. Ok, so now we have elements, the body (man) and the breath or spirit of God. These two elements came together to form the living soul. So, the soul consists of the body, (the man) and the breath or spirit of life from God. So all three are accounted for. We have the man, the breath or spirit, and the soul. The man consists of the elements, the breath or spirit is part of God, and together they make a living soul.
 
The soul isn't part of the brain. It's the life of man. the body without the spirit isn't a soul any longer.
 
There aren't two ways to look at a man if we're going by the Scriptures. Gen 2:7 tells us that God created the man from the dust of the earth. So, man consists of the dust or elements of the earth. That's all. Nothing else is mentioned. We're then told that God breathed His breath or spirit into the man. Ok, so now we have elements, the body (man) and the breath or spirit of God. These two elements came together to form the living soul. So, the soul consists of the body, (the man) and the breath or spirit of life from God. So all three are accounted for. We have the man, the breath or spirit, and the soul. The man consists of the elements, the breath or spirit is part of God, and together they make a living soul.
OK B,
I'm not going to debate this.
It's kind of like debating if water is wet.

I'll post this for you....it's simple theology.
EVERYTHING CANNOT be understood from scripture alone.
Would you understand the trinity from scirpture alone?
For some biblical knowledge we need theologians that have studied these things.


This is the trichotomy of man.
Also, see 1 Thes 5:23 that states all 3


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OK B,
I'm not going to debate this.
It's kind of like debating if water is wet.

I'll post this for you....it's simple theology.
EVERYTHING CANNOT be understood from scripture alone.
Would you understand the trinity from scirpture alone?
For some biblical knowledge we need theologians that have studied these things.


This is the trichotomy of man.
Also, see 1 Thes 5:23 that states all 3
I disagree that we can't know from the Bible alone. Theologians study the Bible. It doesn't mean they understand it correctly. Anything we can't know from the Bible is speculation. Theologians are one of the reasons we have so many denominations. Obviously someone is wrong. So, just because one is a theologian doesn't mean one is right.

Again, you've posted this trichotomy of man. That's just someone's opinion. I showed you the Scripture where man was created. The passage explains how God created man it doesn't agree with what you posted here. Do you not believe the Scripture? I don't understand why you would post something that is contrary to the Scriptures. Gen 2:7 says that the man and the breath of God together became a living soul. That is not emotions or will. It is a living being.

You won't find anything in the Scriptures that says the soul is the emotions or the will.
 
I disagree that we can't know from the Bible alone. Theologians study the Bible. It doesn't mean they understand it correctly. Anything we can't know from the Bible is speculation. Theologians are one of the reasons we have so many denominations. Obviously someone is wrong. So, just because one is a theologian doesn't mean one is right.

Again, you've posted this trichotomy of man. That's just someone's opinion. I showed you the Scripture where man was created. The passage explains how God created man it doesn't agree with what you posted here. Do you not believe the Scripture? I don't understand why you would post something that is contrary to the Scriptures. Gen 2:7 says that the man and the breath of God together became a living soul. That is not emotions or will. It is a living being.

You won't find anything in the Scriptures that says the soul is the emotions or the will.
Good morning Butch,
I see that you're going through your "I don't like theologians" stage. At some point, if you really want to know the bible, you'll have to turn to them for the proper understanding. We really
cannot know it all on our own.

I've found that the more I know,,,the more I realize how little I know.

I'm NOT posting something that is contrary to scripture....
Christianity is based on both the O.T. and the N.T.

What do you think the soul is?
What do you think the spirit is?
What is the body?

Have you not noticed that the O.T. uses the word "heart" to mean different things?

Do you think that 4,000 years ago people knew about the SOUL?
How much do you think they knew about THE BODY?

So let's try it your way.
Genesis 2:7
God made a man from the dust of the ground.
At that point it was just a dead BODY.

Then God breathed into the man THE BREATH OF LIFE,,,and THEN man became a living being. GOD BREATHED INTO THE BODY THE BREATH OF LIFE AND THE BODY BECAME ALIVE.

Still nothing about the soul or the spirit.

SO FAR we have a body that is alive and liviing.

1. Could you give me YOUR version of the above?
Are you reading something into scripture that IS NOT THERE?


2. The trichotomy of man is NOT AN OPINION.
Do you have A BODY? What is it?
Do you have A SOUL? What is it?
Do you have a SPIRIT? What is it?


Forget about theologians.
Tell me what you know to be a fact and then we'll continue.
 
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Soul is to Spirit, as
Personality is to Mind.
Hey K,
Nice to see you here.
Our personality is part of our soul....

Even animals have souls...this is what makes each one be different.
Dogs are different from each other, cats, etc.

But animals do not have a spirit...
they do not have consciousness of God, which is what the spirit is -- our God part which can communicate with Him.

Personality includes our will, our emotions, our intellect,
our sensations, thoughts and beliefs.

When we die, our soul remains alive...it is immortal.
Our spirit also remains alive...it is immortal.

The spirit affects the soul.
For instance if our spirit tells us not to do something...that affects the soul.

Understanding this makes understanding the human person much easier.

The following is pretty good...I just looked for it and didn't read it all but it seems OK.

 
Good morning Butch,
I see that you're going through your "I don't like theologians" stage.
Actually, it's not that I don't theologians. I just find that often they're wrong. I no longer believe things simply because someone who is supposed to know says it. I did that. It lead me into false doctrines. Just because someone is a theologian doesn't mean they're write when when they speak or write. A theologian is just someone who has studied a particular system of theology. If they were fool proof they'd all agree, but they don't. Try to get a Catholic theologian to agree with a Protestant one on a lot of issues. Good luck with that. Some theologians say you can lose our salvation and some say you can't. Both can't be right.

At some point, if you really want to know the bible, you'll have to turn to them for the proper understanding. We really
cannot know it all on our own.

Why do you assume I don't know the Bible? Is it because I disagree with you? Maybe I've studied this subject for several years now. Maybe I've gone through all of the pertinent passages that deal with the body, soul, and spirit. Maybe I've looked at how these words are used throughout the Scriptures rather than just looking in a dictionary.

I've found that the more I know,,,the more I realize how little I know.

I'm NOT posting something that is contrary to scripture....
Christianity is based on both the O.T. and the N.T.

What do you think the soul is?
What do you think the spirit is?
What is the body?

I believe I answered this yesterday. The Soul is a living being which consists of the body and the breath or spirit of God.

The spirit is the breath of God

The body is the physical part of us that is created from the elements of the earth.

Have you not noticed that the O.T. uses the word "heart" to mean different things?

Does it mean different things or is it used different ways?

Do you think that 4,000 years ago people knew about the SOUL?
How much do you think they knew about THE BODY?

Absolutely, it's in the Bible. It's in the first chapter in the Bible.
They knew what the could see.

So let's try it your way.
Genesis 2:7
God made a man from the dust of the ground.
At that point it was just a dead BODY.

Then God breathed into the man THE BREATH OF LIFE,,,and THEN man became a living being. GOD BREATHED INTO THE BODY THE BREATH OF LIFE AND THE BODY BECAME ALIVE.

Still nothing about the soul or the spirit.

SO FAR we have a body that is alive and liviing.

1. Could you give me YOUR version of the above?
Are you reading something into scripture that IS NOT THERE?


In your statement above I highlighted the word spirit in read and the word soul in blue.

This is where the translation let's you down. The word Neshamah, which is translated breath in that passage means wind or breath. It is also translated figuratively as spirit. That is why I post, the breath, spirit, of life. It's to let people know that it is the same word that is translated as breath or spirit. If you look in your lexicon you'll find that spirit is figure of speech. So, if you see a phrase such as the spirit of life, it's a figure of speech. It literally means the breath or wind of life. So keep in mind whatever you see the word spirit in your Bible its's a figure of speech.

So, you see, we do have the spirit mentioned by the time man comes to life. When the spirit joined with that man together they formed a living soul.


2. The trichotomy of man is NOT AN OPINION.
Do you have A BODY? What is it?
Do you have A SOUL? What is it?
Do you have a SPIRIT? What is it?
Forget about theologians.
Tell me what you know to be a fact and then we'll continue.

It is an opinion. According to the Scriptures the spirit or breath that is in man is God's, not man's. It is God's spirit or breath. It's not man. Man consists of the elements of the earth as we see in Gen 2:7. The soul is the life that is in man. Every living thing has God's breath or spirit in it. That's what keeps it alive. If God takes away His spirit or breath man dies. If the breath or spirit are taken away there is no more soul. It's like water. If you combine hydrogen and oxygen you water. If you take either the hydrogen or the oxygen away, you no longer have water.

Does man have body, soul, and spirit? Yes. The body is the man, the soul is his life or his whole person, and the spirit or breath is God.

Part of the confusion comes from the English translation using the word spirit. In English people tend to think of a disembodied living being. The problem is that the Greek and Hebrew words had no such meaning. There are two Hebrew words, Neshamah and ruach, and one Greek word pneuma, that mean breath or wind. They are sometimes translated into English figuratively as spirit. However, these word do not mean a disembodied living being. There is nothing to remotely suggest that. They mean wind or breath. When the original readers saw these passages they read wind or breath. There was nothing to give them the idea of a disembodied living being. This is why so many Christians today are confused. They see the word spirit and they import this idea of a disembodied living being into the text. The translators should have left the word as wind or breath and let the reader figure out if it was meant to be literal or a figure of speech.
 
How come I lost your entire reply!

You said something for which I apologize.
I don't mean to say that you don't know the bible...
I meant that if you really want to learn about the body, soul and spirit you DO need theology.

As you yourself have explained very well in the last paragraphs, it's difficult to get this information from the bible alone and to understand it that way. I had to teach this to kids and had to learn it from theology -- outside the bible...what I learned, however, DID agree with the N.T. as in
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


I very much agree with one of your paragraphs...will have to go find it....
Here:

Yo said:
Does man have body, soul, and spirit? Yes. The body is the man, the soul is his life or his whole person, and the spirit or breath is God.

And here we can agree.
Also, I do agree that everything is held up by God....
Our very breath is held up by God or, as you said, we would die.

It took a few tries,,,but we got there!
:)
 
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