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The Real Jesus
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It is the Father who glorifies Jesus.
What does that word you have state about the Son?
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
The One who judges. Jesus=>I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Jesus=>"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation.
Jesus=>These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.
Jesus=>These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars.
Jesus=>These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
Jesus=>These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword
Jesus=>These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.
The one we live through.
I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
In Jesus all things are held together and are sustained. Jesus has life in Himself and authority to give life and forgive sins. A faithful High Priest who has indestructible life in Himself and can save forever those that come to him by faith.
This is the real Jesus:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Johan
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I agree with this. God spoke the Word on the Son.
Jesus is the Word of God that was made flesh.
John 1
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Soul or the Life of Jesus was God that became our Father in Jesus. There was no Life of "a Son" in Jesus.
John 14
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
A Son can only be born of God.
John 1
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
A True Son of God have a "Mother" too. As only then The Family of God can be a Reality.
Gal. 4
19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Johan
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I also like to quote these verses. But to quote them without your opinion or Revelation is not worth much.
So what do you actually believe? Is Jesus the real Son or you?
JohnDB
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John 1:12 & 14 explain very clearly that we are God's kids but that Jesus is the Son of God.
I believe scripture needs not my opinion or revelation as what God has already said has been written. If one can not see that Jesus is the Son of God in those scriptures then they have not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
JohnDB
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I wouldn't go that far...
But I would say that they are in desperate need of some grammar lessons.
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My favorite question to those that once claimed to be a born again Christian. They state they saw the light then left the faith to support another.
"How can one have the Spirit of Christ in them and not know Jesus lives?"
I'm not sure I understand the message your trying to state? We believe Jesus is the Son of the living God as in Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit. We believe Jesus came from above, "the living bread that came down from heaven".
I have been a believer in Jesus as far back as my memory goes. I was steered to him by my christian Mother at a very young age. I still pray to Him to this very day. He answers prayer. He always seems to be aware of everything going on in my life and He knows me. I know Him.
So if there some unknown point your trying to make I am having trouble with your message. I understand in great detail the gospel message and I am far from alone in that on this forum.
What are we missing or what point are you trying to make?
I wouldn't go that far...
But I would say that they are in desperate need of some grammar lessons.
Could you elaborate on this as I'm not sure what you mean by grammar lessons.
JohnDB
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In English class we all learned about metaphors. Jesus(the word) became flesh in verse 14...which is obviously God as declared in the first verse. And the title Emmanuel (meaning God with Us) is an obvious answer.
Those who believe in Jesus (the Christ) in verse 12 are granted the authority to be called God's kids.
This first chapter of John is very clear and concise in describing who Jesus is without wiggle room of any kind.
And if you don't understand what John has written in an English translation of the scriptures you need to go back to English classes so that the very basic grammar and use of metaphors can be understood. Holy Spirit isn't needed to understand the grammar and use of metaphors.
Thanks for clarifying this and yes John 1 is very clear.
Jesus - ,the one they touched and heard, was referred to as the word of life by John and in revelation has the name, "the word of God". The Son who was as described in Hebrews is a being not a thought, plan or word. One who is the image of the Father and one that the creation was made through. Its clear to me the Son who was, His spirit, was in the tent of the body that HE stated was prepared for Him.
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;
Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.
Jesus is still the word of the Father. And as is written all things are from the Father and through the Son. In the Son all things are held together or sustained.
Johan
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It is also very clear that a Son needs to be born of the Father. The Word does that. We are getting born of God by the Word of Jesus. This makes us Truly Sons and not Jesus. As the Word was manifested in the Flesh by the Father.
John 14
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
The Life of the Word was The Father. There was no "Son-Life" in the Word. If there was then God will not be Holy to us anymore. As Holiness mean that He is totally separated unto us. It mean that we have all of His attention and devotion. With "his own Son" we will obviously take second place.
Something else. We died for God. To be a Godly being we had to die to our human being. And He died for us. These sacrifices for each other is what is creating the Utmost Love Relationship. If the "Son" died for us then it will be virtually impossible to Love God our Father sending His son to die. No Loving Father should do this.
And when we get to the Real Relationship that Jesus taught us then we see that there is no room for a Son and a Holy Spirit.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Seems guided by religion and doctrines many has "added" to scripture in the heart of it. Robbing them of what they could have had. Suffering from the consequences of their own imaginations.
Johan
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Yep. This seems to be the heart of the problem. The Children of God are depending on sight. What they see and not Revelation. What Daddy say.
Johan
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That is obviously me. But grammar is corrected too by the Holy Spirit. Meaning in this regard our Father correcting these grammar for us to grow further in the Word given to Us. It is so Good to know that it is actually my Father guiding me and not some other "god" with the name of the Holy Spirit.I wouldn't go that far...
But I would say that they are in desperate need of some grammar lessons.
John 4
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
And it is so good to know that He loved me so much that He actually died for me in Jesus and not some other "god" the son. Because it was Him "doing the works".
John 14
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Johan
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How can one be born a Christian and not know He is Christ now?
How can one have the Spirit of Christ not knowing it is their very own New Life and Existence and Identity and who they really are now. And not the Life of "another"?
John 1
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
At the end of the day the Power of Jesus was in Him knowing who He was. He spoke in Authority because He knows Himself. Christians not knowing who they are make them weak and fumbling. And it shows. God our Father gave us the Name above all Names. But who has taken it to heart?
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Johan
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In Mary God our Father put on flesh.
John 1
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
Because the One doing this was no Son but our Father.
John 14
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Sure. It is our Father giving us the Bread. Not the Son. As it is the Father that is the Provider and not the Son.
John 6
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
I know. I was also taught this from the tradition. I just accepted it because I could see "it was the truth". And i actually never asked Dad about it. But this One was actually your Dad.
I know. I am just giving my side of the story. I am not forcing anything.
You are Jesus.
Without this knowledge you will forever misuse the Bread that was given, The Name that was given and the Life that was given. You will for always try to be what you are not. You are not good and never will be. It is all in being a Christian. Being Christ.
And you will not pray the one and only prayer in Truth. And your Relationship will always be lacking from that of Jesus. Because you are not Jesus.
Mat. 6
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
There is just nobody else to include in this prayer. I did it. Jesus was the main "god". I mean. He died for my sins. I just "loved" him. Not giving my Father the Love that He was due. Because it was actually Him that "did the works". And I loved to "honor" the 'holy spirit". He was my guidance. Not knowing that it was actually my Loving Father guiding His Child. And the "spirit gave birth to me". Not knowing that it is only a Father that can give birth.
And we have to admit it is from the tradition, doctrines and religions. Man's understanding of Jesus.
You never struggled to be a human being. You were born one. So the struggle in being Christ is just because you were never born Christ. It is all a Life in Faith. You can not be what you don't believe you are. Now you have to add in your own effort what you should have had in Faith. Faith is the Creation Power of God. But God only create what we accept and believe in. Love can never be forced. Love needs to be accepted.
Your Dad gave you the Name above all Names. But have you accepted it yet. Or are you "nameless"? A Christian without being The Christ? A human being calling Himself "Christian". A sad story. It shows. Because it is tradition at work.
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Johan
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This is the problem. The Word has to be Revealed. All of it.
1 Cor. 2
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.