The Sabbaths and Physics

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Agua suggested I start a new topic to see if others would like to consider the possible connections between the lesson of the Sabbaths and the way energy interacts with life on the planet.

As we were talking in a different post all life is dependent on a range of energy flows, to little energy and life dies, to much energy and life is killed.

I've begun to notice there are many beautiful patterns about various topics contained in the bible. One of the most out standing is the pattern of the three Sabbaths. Some how I noticed a connection between this Sabbath pattern and energy patterns found in nature. We see them often as life cycles, like between the rabbit population and the Lynx. A wave like rising and falling pulse between the two species.

In addition to this there is another important action or impact that energy has on the physical world. To much energy no matter what form it takes when brought into a place or system that can't process it causes chaos to occur. The energy begins to over whelm the place and starts through everything out of balance and interfering with the pulse cycle of life.

Thus what I see is that the 'Sabbath cycle' is about a built in mechanism that God has created like a pressure relief value that is designed to prevent the energy from overwhelming created life and the balanced ecosystem created to support life.

The rest pattern is essential to be acknowledged if we choose to press past and keep working/growing/consuming the accumulated energy will cause chaos in our societies as well as in our personal lives.

Recall how God made Israel pay back all the missed Sabbath years, there is a far stronger point within that event.

It is impossible to break this law of energy and how it interacts with the planet. We need to recognize when we have 'worked' enough and choose to rest/slow down because if we don't the chaos will stop us anyways but with far harsher results.

One other great example of this is when God choose to rest on the 7th day of creation. He poured energy into the created universe but with his great wisdom he knew when it was time to stop.

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[agua.]

Digging cool this is interesting and very deep.Like you say we can see this work/rest pattern throughout the Bible and it seems that Yahweh instituted it for more reason than we see on the surface as you suggest.

Even before we were made in Yahweh's image this cycle of "sabbaths" existed with the ebb and flow of the climate over thousands/millions of years. imo I'm not sure how I can correlate this with the Bible though. I can see how Yahweh used His power to set these things in motion and as you say maybe the amount of energy is somehow intrinsically balanced.

Isa 40:25-26 KJV To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. (26) Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

It's very interesting but I'm afraid I'm not sure how I can build a case for this because I'm neither a solid theologian nor know enough about physics and climatology etc. The Earth is kinda a closed system though imo ( aside from receiving energy from the sun and gaining a small amount of matter in meters etc ) so this balance makes sense. We as Christians tend to think everything simply holds together because Yahweh is constantly adding power etc but more likely He made it work that way. imo

 

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Yes it is kind of deep and yet interesting! Here are some more things to consider that have helped me to see more clearly this pulsing pattern of activity and rest. All people need to sleep everyday, we spend about 1/3 of our day resting now IF we try to not sleep I believe if we go more than 7 days awake it can kill us. So we need to rest, to have a slow time which seems to balance off the action time. Also the yearly season of the earth from winter to summer, rest and growth. It is a totally natural cycle of changing energy that supports living.

you mentioned the energy received from the sun, this is very important to think about. That energy of light is changed mostly to heat and the rest is used by plants to build various things out of air, water and minerals. Then the heat energy slowly is released back to outer space because if it didn't there would be extreme climate chaos ASAP. Thus the beauty of this solar energy is that it flows through creation, sometimes fast other times slower, but very rarely stored forever.

I really wonder sometimes if the way we will be able to live forever is that God's spirit will feed us at times in place of the system he has created through the natural world. So that the physical energies and the natural world can be given 'rest' when needed in order to stay balanced, not having to little or too much energy cycling through the system.

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[agua.]

Yeah interesting. Revelation does say there will be no sunlight in the New Jerusalem you might be onto something there.

Rev 22:5 KJV And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

 

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Energy is something we have around us so much often we don't recognize it, we stop seeing it. Take a forest or a garden, everything that is alive or was alive is a form of stored carbon sugars, thus is stored biologically formed energy.

When everything comes together in just the right proportions the solar energy is able to be used to create something incredibly beautiful like a majestic ancient rain forest. However if different circumstances develop like a bad drought with extreme heat, all that stored energy becomes to much and the whole forest can catch on fire, the fire is the chaos that once is triggered is very powerful and neutralizes all the stored energy back down to a safe amount for the areas new changed weather patterns.

I see the lesson of the Sabbaths as a message to help us avoid 'the chaos of the forest fires' in our lives and societies. I feel that is why the bible says everything will be eaten up by 'fire' or a judgement by fire. I see the 'fire' as the symbol for all the different forms the chaos will take as human civilization collapses.

In no way do I believe humanity will pull up from this or repent and stop their accumulating consumer culture. This is how the species of man is deeply violating the principle of the Sabbath lesson. We are not listening to all the clear messages from God through creation that we are taking to much, doing to much, working to much.

I believe the reason God put the death sentence as the penalty for breaking the Sabbath is because in true physical reality these dynamics of energy can not be suppressed and will kill eventually if we try to break them. This is what I see coming for the world, this is 'how and why' the system built by mankind will crash.

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[Sinthesis]

For the last two millennia the Holy Spirit has been influencing the systems being built by mankind, and I see his influence consistently increasing. This is why I'm ultimately optimistic about the world God loves enough to redeem.

 

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If you could explain a little more it's unclear to me what 'systems being built by mankind' you see the Holy Spirit influencing?

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[His_nee (Jeff)]

IF the universe and earth was more than 10,000 years old, give or take 290 years, then the sediment, radiation in the earth and above the earth, the moon and it's orbit, the earth and it's orbit, would all be vastly different than it is currently. (all measurable, and measured already(i.e. has been done and proven) ).
No, I don't have the bibliography at hand - it was published many times decades ago. So it is findable. Problem is, find it and don't believe it, then what good is it? Believe it as it is written(in Scripture), and find it then as honest scientists and even amateurs have, then it is verifiable confidence in what is written as Yhwh has said. Yet no evidence or argument ever found is strong enough to change someone's mind.

 

[jasonc]

Agua suggested I start a new topic to see if others would like to consider the possible connections between the lesson of the Sabbaths and the way energy interacts with life on the planet.

As we were talking in a different post all life is dependent on a range of energy flows, to little energy and life dies, to much energy and life is killed.

I've begun to notice there are many beautiful patterns about various topics contained in the bible. One of the most out standing is the pattern of the three Sabbaths. Some how I noticed a connection between this Sabbath pattern and energy patterns found in nature. We see them often as life cycles, like between the rabbit population and the Lynx. A wave like rising and falling pulse between the two species.

In addition to this there is another important action or impact that energy has on the physical world. To much energy no matter what form it takes when brought into a place or system that can't process it causes chaos to occur. The energy begins to over whelm the place and starts through everything out of balance and interfering with the pulse cycle of life.

Thus what I see is that the 'Sabbath cycle' is about a built in mechanism that God has created like a pressure relief value that is designed to prevent the energy from overwhelming created life and the balanced ecosystem created to support life.

The rest pattern is essential to be acknowledged if we choose to press past and keep working/growing/consuming the accumulated energy will cause chaos in our societies as well as in our personal lives.

Recall how God made Israel pay back all the missed Sabbath years, there is a far stronger point within that event.

It is impossible to break this law of energy and how it interacts with the planet. We need to recognize when we have 'worked' enough and choose to rest/slow down because if we don't the chaos will stop us anyways but with far harsher results.

One other great example of this is when God choose to rest on the 7th day of creation. He poured energy into the created universe but with his great wisdom he knew when it was time to stop.

Digging

ok. god arbitrarily decided to create a seven day week. the shabat and all feasts are things he just choose to show man his nature. the more one studies the torah the more one will see things about the nature of god in heaven via the torah. the images and what the end times are all looking back and forward to Christ and the torah. torah being a shadow of the Lord.

 

[jasonc]

ok, an almost Christian cabbalist.

 

[Sinthesis]

If you could explain a little more it's unclear to me what 'systems being built by mankind' you see the Holy Spirit influencing?

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Political, economic, etc. In general everything we tend to perceive as evidence of what is wrong with the world today was, prior to Christ, the only way of the world. Post Eden there is no glorious theological summit we can point to from which the world is falling. The world has already fallen, but ever since God sent His Son the world has been getting better. Yet it is a bumpy road so as individuals we have a hard time recognizing the overall redemptive trend.

 

[agua.]

Energy is something we have around us so much often we don't recognize it, we stop seeing it. Take a forest or a garden, everything that is alive or was alive is a form of stored carbon sugars, thus is stored biologically formed energy.

When everything comes together in just the right proportions the solar energy is able to be used to create something incredibly beautiful like a majestic ancient rain forest. However if different circumstances develop like a bad drought with extreme heat, all that stored energy becomes to much and the whole forest can catch on fire, the fire is the chaos that once is triggered is very powerful and neutralizes all the stored energy back down to a safe amount for the areas new changed weather patterns.

I see the lesson of the Sabbaths as a message to help us avoid 'the chaos of the forest fires' in our lives and societies. I feel that is why the bible says everything will be eaten up by 'fire' or a judgement by fire. I see the 'fire' as the symbol for all the different forms the chaos will take as human civilization collapses.

In no way do I believe humanity will pull up from this or repent and stop their accumulating consumer culture. This is how the species of man is deeply violating the principle of the Sabbath lesson. We are not listening to all the clear messages from God through creation that we are taking to much, doing to much, working to much.

I believe the reason God put the death sentence as the penalty for breaking the Sabbath is because in true physical reality these dynamics of energy can not be suppressed and will kill eventually if we try to break them. This is what I see coming for the world, this is 'how and why' the system built by mankind will crash.

Digging

I believe the reason God put the death sentence as the penalty for breaking the Sabbath is because in true physical reality these dynamics of energy can not be suppressed and will kill eventually if we try to break them. This is what I see coming for the world, this is 'how and why' the system built by mankind will crash.

Interesting perspective and i hadn't thought of it like this before but it does make sense to me. I don't believe anything in what Yahweh has done in Creation is arbitrary and the Sabbath cycles likely do have a deeper ,meaning than I know. It seems to be self evident atm that the Earth is rapidly changing but then many also believe it's a normal cycle with nothing unusual. I can't wait to find out.