[_ Old Earth _] think about evolution and what it teaches

[thor]

If you think about it and go back to it's very begining !
understanding evolution is realy quite simple

it teaches some how! nothing! became something! and evolved in to you!

is that not simple brillance?
this is what God thinks about these brilliant fellows! He knew AS HE KNOWS EVERY THING. THAT evolution "theory" would be PART OF HIS CREATED WORLD because of peoples SIN.


2 peter chapter 3
read it!

and then read hebrews chapter 11
that states we know God created every thing in 6 day's not because
of creation science! but because of our faith in Him His inerrant word!
we don't need to prove creation right to any one!

we know it is right because " God said so"!

 

[Barbarian]

If you think about it and go back to it's very begining !
understanding evolution is realy quite simple

Darn, it took years for me to get where I am with it, and I still don't have it all down. Lead on.

it teaches some how! nothing! became something! and evolved in to you!

Rats. The Cartoon Theory of Evolution again. Yeah, that one's simple, but it's not the real one. The real one isn't at all about "something coming from nothing".

is that not simple brillance?

Doesn't sound very smart to me. But then, if the guys who thought up the Cartoon Theory of Evolution were smart, they would have learned about the real one.

this is what God thinks about these brilliant fellows!

I don't remember God talking about scientists.

He knew AS HE KNOWS EVERY THING. THAT evolution "theory" would be PART OF HIS CREATED WORLD because of peoples SIN.

Nope. It's part of His created world, because that's how He created the diversity of living things.

2 peter chapter 3
read it!

I don't remember it being about scientists at all... nope. It's about atheists, who deny God. Most of us are theists, most of those, like me, Christians. You've been misled about that.

and then read hebrews chapter 11

Sorry. I don't see anything that applies.

that states we know God created every thing in 6 day's not because of creation science!

You're arguing that if an allegory from the OT is mentioned in the NT, that makes it literal? How so?

It appears whoever told you this was adjusting God's word to suit his own desires.

We don't need to prove creation right to any one!

Creation is true. Creationism is not.

we know it is right because " God said so"!

I know they told you He did. But there seems to be a conflict between what He actually said, and what they're arguing He said.

 

[Radical Edward]

If you think about it and go back to it's very begining !
understanding evolution is realy quite simple

it teaches some how! nothing! became something! and evolved in to you!

is that not simple brillance?
this is what God thinks about these brilliant fellows! He knew AS HE KNOWS EVERY THING. THAT evolution "theory" would be PART OF HIS CREATED WORLD because of peoples SIN.

This is a strawman. you paint a false weak version of evolution and then knock it down.

evolution does not include 1) Big Bang theory 2) Cosmology 3) Stellar formation 4) Abiogenesis

Evolution is simply the modification with descent of living things, with the algorithmic process of natural selection, and this happens even now, and that is a fact.

 

[serapha]

Hi there!

:angel:

Let me see if I have the right picture here.


I am supposed to believe that some force of power converted an earthly product into a life form.


And this "fact"is supposed to be accepted over the miracle of the creation account?


Well, we certainly would agree that some earthly product (dirt) was converted into a life form (human) by some force of power (God)


~malaka~

 

[Barbarian]

Let me see if I have the right picture here.


I am supposed to believe that some force of power converted an earthly product into a life form.

Yep.

[/quote]And this "fact"is supposed to be accepted over the miracle of the creation account? [/quote]

It is the creation account:

Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so."

God tells us that He created living things by natural means. But evolution is not about the origin of life. You're thinking of abiogenesis.

Well, we certainly would agree that some earthly product (dirt) was converted into a life form (human) by some force of power (God)

All living things came from the earth. We are no different, except that God breathed into us an immortal soul.

Evolution is just the way we got from the first living things to humans. God supplied the dirt and nature, of course,and it has worked according to His will ever since.




~malaka~

 

[serapha]

All living things came from the earth. We are no different, except that God breathed into us an immortal soul.

Evolution is just the way we got from the first living things to humans. God supplied the dirt and nature, of course,and it has worked according to His will ever since.

Hi there!

:angel:

So, exactly where along the way from the first living things to humans did God decide that this moral being was worthy to possess an eternal soul?


Stated in another way, what part of the evolution process made humans to be humans and at which time God breathed the soul into man.

Could you be specific?

~malaka~

 

[Barbarian]

So, exactly where along the way from the first living things to humans did God decide that this moral being was worthy to possess an eternal soul?

He doesn't say. And since that, unlike the evolution of physical traits, is not measurable, we may never know. Does it matter?

Stated in another way, what part of the evolution process made humans to be humans and at which time God breathed the soul into man.

That would be the point at which we were capable of distinguishing good and evil. Specifically, being able to infer mental states in others so that we understood the moral consequences of our actions.

But that isn't what gave us our souls. That was purely a gift from God.

Could you be specific?

Not as much as I'd like to be. But God didn't tell us, and some of this is not reachable by science.

 

[serapha]

So, exactly where along the way from the first living things to humans did God decide that this moral being was worthy to possess an eternal soul?

He doesn't say. And since that, unlike the evolution of physical traits, is not measurable, we may never know. Does it matter?


Yes, it matters




[quote:ea14c]Stated in another way, what part of the evolution process made humans to be humans and at which time God breathed the soul into man.

That would be the point at which we were capable of distinguishing good and evil. Specifically, being able to infer mental states in others so that we understood the moral consequences of our actions.


But that isn't what gave us our souls. That was purely a gift from God.


Would you mind giving me a scripture reference on that?











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[Barbarian]

So, exactly where along the way from the first living things to humans did God decide that this moral being was worthy to possess an eternal soul?

Barbarian observes:
He doesn't say. And since that, unlike the evolution of physical traits, is not measurable, we may never know. Does it matter?

Yes, it matters

What makes you think so. Suppose it happened to be Homo erectus rather than Homo sapiens. What difference would it make, as long as God did it? Suppose we never got much past fire and stone tools, and never evolved into H. sapiens. What difference would it make to God?

Stated in another way, what part of the evolution process made humans to be humans and at which time God breathed the soul into man.

That would be the point at which we were capable of distinguishing good and evil. Specifically, being able to infer mental states in others so that we understood the moral consequences of our actions.

But that isn't what gave us our souls. That was purely a gift from God.

Would you mind giving me a scripture reference on that?

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

This is different from the other organisms. Only man got this, although man, like all the others was brought forth by the earth.

The critical point for man to be capable of fellowship with God was the point of becoming able to understand good and evil.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil

 

[serapha]

So, exactly where along the way from the first living things to humans did God decide that this moral being was worthy to possess an eternal soul?

Barbarian observes:
He doesn't say. And since that, unlike the evolution of physical traits, is not measurable, we may never know. Does it matter?

[quote:b9758]Yes, it matters

What makes you think so. Suppose it happened to be Homo erectus rather than Homo sapiens. What difference would it make, as long as God did it? Suppose we never got much past fire and stone tools, and never evolved into H. sapiens. What difference would it make to God?


Where does the Bible tell us that we evolved? I am still confused on that point.

Stated in another way, what part of the evolution process made humans to be humans and at which time God breathed the soul into man.

That would be the point at which we were capable of distinguishing good and evil. Specifically, being able to infer mental states in others so that we understood the moral consequences of our actions.

But that isn't what gave us our souls. That was purely a gift from God.

Would you mind giving me a scripture reference on that?

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

This is different from the other organisms. Only man got this, although man, like all the others was brought forth by the earth.

The critical point for man to be capable of fellowship with God was the point of becoming able to understand good and evil.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil
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Just how much time transpired between "God formed man" and "God breated into his nostrils making him a living soul"

also, You are indicating that man evolved because of knowledge. That isn'ts a basis for evolution.


~malaka~

 

[amazingrace]

hey thor, I have a question...are you saying that it's obvious Evolution isn't real because God said it wasn't?? or that Evolution is real because God said it was?? sorry, I'm a little confused...

 

[Barbarian]

Man evolved because God created nature to be what it is. How long were there species of the genus Homo before we had an immortal soul? I don't know. Why would that be important?

 

[Radical Edward]

also, You are indicating that man evolved because of knowledge. That isn'ts a basis for evolution.


~malaka~

actually it is a basis for evolution, look up memes.

 

[serapha]

also, You are indicating that man evolved because of knowledge. That isn'ts a basis for evolution.


~malaka~

actually it is a basis for evolution, look up memes.

Hi there!


would this be what you are referencing?


http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/MEMES.html


~malaka~

 

[serapha]

Okay,

<takes a step back and starts over>

(sigh)



Since man and woman were not created in the same manner, how and when can it be determined that God breathed a soul into woman?



~malaka~

 

[Barbarian]

Man and woman were created the same way. By natural means. The "rib" thing is an allegory for two becoming one flesh.

 

[serapha]

Man and woman were created the same way. By natural means. The "rib" thing is an allegory for two becoming one flesh.

Well, quick, give me a good, ol' King James...


<grin>


Yup, there it is...


Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed (original creation) man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.



And in verse 22
And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.




Mercy, God made the woman. Sometime word means rebuilt or made, but not formed in the original form as man was formed. God made her for the man... and there wan't any dirt left under the fingernails like when man was created.

(don't you just love it!)


See, the Bible doesn't compare the creation of woman to the creation of man. Man was an original, but woman was rebuilt, remolded, remodeled and restyled. And men have loved that new model since the beginning of time.... well, most men. There are a few "loose wrists" areound.


Thanks for sharing, it's been great. But I just can't take the creation account as an allegory when the literal fits.


~malaka~

 

[Barbarian]

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed (original creation) man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Right. The Earth brings forth man, like all other creatures, but God gives him something extra.

And in verse 22
And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Mercy, God made the woman.

He made all of us. That's not surprising.

Sometime word means rebuilt or made, but not formed in the original form as man was formed. God made her for the man... and there wan't any dirt left under the fingernails like when man was created.

Blood, and flesh, and connective tissue, and fragments of bone? Eeehhwww...

See, the Bible doesn't compare the creation of woman to the creation of man.

Just an allegory. We can see that there were male and female from the beginning, as Jesus says, not an add-on later. Taking this as literal contradicts Jesus' word on it.

Thanks for sharing, it's been great. But I just can't take the creation account as an allegory when the literal fits.

In this case, it doesn't unless you discount what Jesus said.

 

[serapha]

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed (original creation) man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Right. The Earth brings forth man, like all other creatures, but God gives him something extra.

[quotef2e8]And in verse 22
And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Mercy, God made the woman.

He made all of us. That's not surprising.

Sometime word means rebuilt or made, but not formed in the original form as man was formed. God made her for the man... and there wan't any dirt left under the fingernails like when man was created.

Blood, and flesh, and connective tissue, and fragments of bone? Eeehhwww...

See, the Bible doesn't compare the creation of woman to the creation of man.

Just an allegory. We can see that there were male and female from the beginning, as Jesus says, not an add-on later. Taking this as literal contradicts Jesus' word on it.

Thanks for sharing, it's been great. But I just can't take the creation account as an allegory when the literal fits.

In this case, it doesn't unless you discount what Jesus said.[/quotef2e8]

Hi there!



Okay, so what were the words of Jesus that discredits the creation account and make it a myth?


~malaka~

 

[Barbarian]

Okay, so what were the words of Jesus that discredits the creation account and make it a myth?

I don't remember anyone saying that. Jesus said that man and women were there from the beginning. This doesn't discredit Genesis. It merely shows that it is not literal.