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Thoughts of Suicide

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This forum [link below] was created for love addicts and codependents, but I still think it could be helpful if you are thinking about suicide. When you are depressed, imagine that you are a baby and Jesus is holding you.

Thoughts of suicide are normal when you are in pain. Everyone should understand that and be sympathetic. But actually doing it should be avoided at all costs. We still don't know for sure if people who commit suicide go to heaven or not, but I am not taking any chances. But this is just my opinion. I do not judge anyone concerning this subject. My best friend took her own life when she could not longer deal with the pain of cancer. I hope God forgives her. I think he does. He is a loving God.


 
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I want to tell you a story. I am usually kind and empathetic when someone calls me who is suicidal. But just once I handed out some tough love and it worked. Jerry called me at 4:00 in the morning. I talked to him for 2 hours. I was sleepy and frightened for him. I blurted out, "Jerry: You cannot commit suicide. You have not yet paid your dues. You may have lost everything but you have God and me and people who care. When it is your turn God will tell you."

I immediately felt guilty. He got quiet and said goodnight. A year later, we were at an A.A. meeting and it was his turn to share his story. When he got to the part of being suicidal, he turned to me and pointed. He said: "There is the woman who saved my life by telling me it was not time for me. yet" I cried and thanked God that I had not done more harm than good.

When treating someone who is suicidal, let the Holy Spirit guide you. Everybody is different and needs something different from you. You are just a channel for the Holy Spirit. You speak for him. If you are meeting with someone then give him or her a hug. You are the invisible hands of God.
 

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Am not depressed and the thoughts of being held as a baby by Jesus probably would not help. Death will come soon enough. It is day 2 of school here and there is work to do on behalf of the kids here. My dad would have said if depressed, go out and shovel the walk or cut and stack some wood. WW2 veteran. What did they know?
 

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I may have said this already but it's important. The thing that helped me the most was having a purpose. Helping God here on earth became my purpose and it kept me going through the ups and downs. Find your purpose.
 

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If feeling that life is worthless, pointless etc etc. please do not hold that in, but talk to someone.

Depression is the most common mental state of people contemplating suicide and when in a depressed state ones thinking is distorted. Talk to someone tell them what you are feeling, for cellars this can be hard.
Talking about one's feelings and listening to what is said is important, as Suannah has said even words said out of exasperation can shock one into thinking straight.
 

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You are not alone. Mother Teresa suffered from depression all her life. She carried on. Depression is very painful but it is the cross that we bear so that we know Christ's pain. Your depression is your purple heart. It's important to treat depression, but at the same time it can force you into a closer relationship with God. Therefore it has a purpose. I will keep you in my prayers. In. my life I take medication but I also try to be optimistic. It doesn't cure the depression but it takes the edge off. Mainly, I am called to serve God and that is more important then my own personal happiness. Ask God to lift your depression and at some point he will. I just can't tell you when. We care about you on this board. Everybody is praying for you. So as I said at the beginning you are not alone ❤
 

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You are not alone. Mother Teresa suffered from depression all her life. She carried on. Depression is very painful but it is the cross that we bear so that we know Christ's pain. Your depression is your purple heart. It's important to treat depression, but at the same time it can force you into a closer relationship with God. Therefore it has a purpose. I will keep you in my prayers. In. my life I take medication but I also try to be optimistic. It doesn't cure the depression but it takes the edge off. Mainly, I am called to serve God and that is more important then my own personal happiness. Ask God to lift your depression and at some point he will. I just can't tell you when. We care about you on this board. Everybody is praying for you. So as I said at the beginning you are not alone ❤
My answer to suicide is life. Our whole life our bodies are set up to keep us alive, our immune systems, our emotional states, our relationships, our eating, our sleeping, our work, each thing we do. To stop living is to just give up on all this effort and process, and declare it is all wrong. But the reality is we hurt and that pain is so bad we have to dull everything into a grey soup, that is so grey we wonder if it is worth going on.

But in the end the soup is just a feeling, an biological reaction to overload and outlook, and there is always the possibility of change, of the light dawning, of the sun rising up and finding we can shine in life once more.

It is interesting how our value systems and belief systems can cause us to destroy the very life we hold dear, when in truth each breadth we breath is a beautiful thing full of grace and truth. A child wonders at this gift of life and wants to explore more. It always makes me wonder if we can discover again this starting place, there is real hope, real opportunity to be the thing God desires we discover, the beauty of life with Him.

I was thinking yesterday about the role of hurt, defence and self pity, which drives so much sin and self destruction. Jesus talked about holding on to the life we have, and losing it all, or giving it all up to receive the life He can give us in our hearts. I now know this life, and I know the reality of His words and how emotionally holding on to hurts and being defensive destroys us, but becoming like a child, repenting and giving it all to Him begins to change us and turn the pain and hurt into love and life.

When you grow up in a schizophrenic household with suicidal people and emotionally cut off people who pretend to know each other, it hurts deeply and makes one wonder if there is ever a way out. And Jesus leads by declaring hurt and openness, loving despite the pain, seeing value in the small things and the simple gifts are the seeds of eternal life.
I cannot say why or how the pain goes away or the despair and loneliness, but it does and in Christ we can become something totally new, Praise God. God bless you
 

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Am not depressed and the thoughts of being held as a baby by Jesus probably would not help. Death will come soon enough. It is day 2 of school here and there is work to do on behalf of the kids here. My dad would have said if depressed, go out and shovel the walk or cut and stack some wood. WW2 veteran. What did they know?
Working with kids, some of which may never hear about Jesus or feel encouraged or loved, except from a teacher or counselor is probably one of the highest callings there is.


Thank you, and welcome to the Forum.


Glad you are here.



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not to be the contrary one, but suicide occurs in a social context. people need friends, family, community, resources...and when these things are absent, suicide rates tend to go up. example: well, I am glad I live in the US, -but- the US suicide rate has been going up for about 15 years now, even though everybody and their mama is 'in treatment' of some sort. its the social and economic situation...community bonds are frayed, families have drifted, something like 30% of all US people surveyed don't even have -1- close, real friend...wages are stagnant for much of the population, while the cost of living keeps on rising...

and that's just the basics. suicide rates also go up with very wealthy people, i guess because having way, way more than the average person can be isolating, too...plus easy access to drugs that comes with wealth and power....

blah blah blah. on a personal, 'what can i do?' note, I think most of us, as Christians, can shine a light by...letting Jesus shine thru us. I"m...trying to get there, honestly. work in progress, that sort of thing.

i will say that some newer research makes mental health-based anti-suicide programs seem...ineffective at best. one study found that having a higher # of psychiatrists per 100,000 population actually led to more suicides, especially in women. -eek- that was in Denmark, I think...they have national health insurance and such, so the data is solid. kinda lines up with decades of theory and research debunking mental health, inc. , but...

-sigh- i don't know. Pope John Paul II writes a good bit about what he terms "the culture of death," which is basically...modern culture. I think the examples he uses include abortion, homosexuality, divorce, drugs, and suicide. His writing on the subject must be a good...20, 30 years old, at this point...and I find it even more accurate, even more...distressing...as we soldier on in the 21st century.

for examples outside of the US...Belgium, The Netherlands...euthanasia is now ridiculously common, under-reported. it just...is, more and more, a very common way for people to leave this world. sometimes, its clearly just a physician providing access to the means of suicide (bad enough, from my perspective), other times...

it looks more and more like the old, the weak, the frail, the sick are destroyed in 'progressive' nations, by the medical establishment...and that's just 'the way the world works,' now, in the 21st century.

Christians could maybe do more to engage the culture, but I think there's also something to be said for being 'wise as serpents, innocent as doves,' and simply avoiding unnecessary entanglements with a world that is overrun by death impulses. -eek- :-(
 
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