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Time for the SCABS to go

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The Monday night game on ESPN wound up being stolen from Green Bay by the knuckleheaded replacement officials -- and I'm not even a Packer fan. Don't even like the Packers. But this nonsense has got to stop.

[video=youtube;wHsUc2zm0KI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHsUc2zm0KI[/video]

These replacement SCABS have got to go. They are a disgrace.
 
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It's just football. C'mon. Besides, the owners know you'll watch whatever they put on the field. And they can save some money by using substandard refs.
 

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The Monday night game on ESPN wound up being stolen from Green Bay by the knuckleheaded replacement officials -- and I'm not even a Packer fan. Don't even like the Packers. But this nonsense has got to stop.

[video=youtube;wHsUc2zm0KI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHsUc2zm0KI[/video]

These replacement SCABS have got to go. They are a disgrace.

Yup, I agree. Nothing ruins a game faster than bad officiating.
 

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There were plenty of bad calls in that game. The last play of the game wasn't one of them. The officials got that one right. Nothing was stolen from the Packers. They lost. Fair and square.

The replacement officials are bad, but they are no worse than Bill Leavy and the crew at Superbowl XL--and they were supposed to be the best of the best.

While speaking of who's got to go--we could start with Gruden, Tirico and the rest of the ESPN MNF crew and anyone else that substitutes East Coast bias for reality-based commentary.
 
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There were plenty of bad calls in that game. The last play of the game wasn't one of them. The officials got that one right. Nothing was stolen from the Packers. They lost. Fair and square.
Can you please explain your view here? From my viewpoint, nothing was right the way that play was officiated. "Simultaneous catch" doesn't apply if one player gets control first, and Jennings clearly had possession before Tate did. Then the officials only "conference" was to look at one another and decide simultaneously to make opposite calls on the play. It was disgraceful. Even if I'm not, as I said, a Packers fan.
The replacement officials are bad, but they are no worse than Bill Leavy and the crew at Superbowl XL--and they were supposed to be the best of the best.
They have nothing on these second-, third- and eighteenth-tier guys coming in to call these games. The list of boneheaded, idiotic, unbelievably bad calls this season would be as long as the regular officials' lists of such calls over the last 20 seasons.
While speaking of who's got to go--we could start with Gruden, Tirico and the rest of the ESPN MNF crew and anyone else that substitutes East Coast bias for reality-based commentary.
While I can agree with that, that bias didn't enter in to the furor they voiced over such an incredibly idiotic, unthinking call.
 

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If there were officiating that met a certain criterion among so called professional UNION qualified refs and umps, instant replay would never have come to be. Why are those unions allowing their professionals; some making in the range of $70,000, to even be questioned? What kind of representation is that?

Maybe these football experts can go the way of air traffic controllers and Continental Airlines of the eighties. With the seriousness of their actions affecting fanatics maybe we could call the situation a "peril to national safety" as Reagan did with air controllers.

Air controllers wanted a 32 hour work week and more money, and so possibly refs and umps could now strike for a maximum 3 hours per week with twice the money, overtime for overtime games, provided private transportation costs, per diem, and demand that they be carried onto the field of play by porters via a liter; what do those non union SCABS know anyhow? I doubt any of them run the forty in 4.5 seconds to keep up with some plays; WAIT, I don't thing the regulars do either. :shame2
 
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Eugene, your points would be well taken if only for the fact that most people don't understand what an NFL referee does. It isn't just 16 regular season games, four preseason games and an elite group being chosen to do the playoffs and Super Bowl. They travel to the NFL camps prior to the season to go over rules enforcement and any changes made during the off-season. They all have "real jobs" to be sure, but the demand on them as NFL officials is pretty high. For this, they get paid about $149,000 a year. Pretty good for a hobby. But the reality is that they easily devote will over 1500 hours a year to their "hobby," which is just about 60% of the time NBA and NHL referees and MLB umpires invest in their professions for about two to four times the pay. So all things being equal, the NFL referees should be paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $250,000 a year, at least.

Then there is the issue of pension plans. The NFL refs currently have one. The NFL wants to eliminate it. Tommy Bell gave 27 years of his life to NFL refereeing for a lot less money than Ed Hochuli or Scott Green are having invested in their pension, but the NFL wants to take all of that away. Is that really fair, treating a guy who is willing to literally work two-full time careers only to be told, "Thanks, here's a gold watch and you can keep your jersey?" Not in my book.

The NFL would like to improve officiating. Naturally. But that means hiring more referees and instigating a performance based assignment system. Current officials are concerned (rightly so, in my book) that could lead to them eventually being forced out with no pension, in favor of a new, full-time refereeing contingent. Is that fair when the current refs have, again, worked two careers and not really needing to do so, but doing so because they love the game and are committed to its integrity? A performance based assignment system makes sense, and should be implemented, but not at the cost of clearing out everyone in the profession. Most of them are highly qualified and have proven themselves time and again. Performance based assignments might eliminate 10 guys from the current ranks. The rest need to be kept on.

There are a lot of ways to argue against what the refs want, and a lot of it is valid. But the NFL is not treating them fairly and, in hiring these jokes for replacements, is essentially saying "Anyone can do this job." However, they are being proven wrong Sunday after Sunday, game after game, play after play. The clowns need to go. Bring back Ed Hochuli and his arms!
 

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Was there a bad call in the game last night? I don't know. I listened to sports talk radio all day at work, and I didn't hear anything about it. ;)

As much as I love to see Green Bay take the gas-pipe as a Lions fan, that call was so bad, I actually feel bad for Packer fan. Simply inexcusable!

We could cite a huge list of horrible decisions by these refs. In the Lions loss to the Titans, they marched off a penalty on the final drive of the game FROM THE WRONG 46 YARD LINE! That's not even a judgment call! That's just called paying attention! San Francisco was given 2 extra time outs against Minnesota! And all these calls are made with people in the booth supposedly backing them up.

I have to admit there's a small part of me that revels in such a debacle, like when the BCS gets it so wrong that the NCAA just looks foolish.

I do agree that the league has a good point on insisting that the crews are bigger with extra refs holding the ones in position accountable. And there is another point that's escaping me now. But enough is enough! This is America's true pass time, and they're making a circus out of it. We pay for our season tickets in March, having no idea we're going to be dealing with such inept game-shaping calls!

Oh, and I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to move this to Popular Culture where sports is discussed.
 

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So..... now one can make a touchdown in football by catching the guy who caught the ball?


Sheesh, not even Coach Pete has ever tried to pull that out of his bag of tricks.
 

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So..... now one can make a touchdown in football by catching the guy who caught the ball?


Sheesh, not even Coach Pete has ever tried to pull that out of his bag of tricks.
Were you even watching the game? Jennings clearly came down with the ball. All Tate did was wrap his arm around it.

Putting that aside, the earlier pass interferance call was called on the wrong team! It was clearly offensive (no pun intended) pass interferance, which would have killed the drive right there.
 

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Were you even watching the game? Jennings clearly came down with the ball. All Tate did was wrap his arm around it.

Putting that aside, the earlier pass interferance call was called on the wrong team! It was clearly offensive (no pun intended) pass interferance, which would have killed the drive right there.
Gotta admit... I didn't watch the game.... However, I'm in agreement with you... after hearing of the controversy, watching clips and looking over stills from the game, it's clear that Jennings came down with the ball and Tate came down with Jennings.... thus my comment.
 

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U.S. sports has almost as much money as this country's has debt... Pay the real guys.
 

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Without part of the team (Refs & Umps), why didn't they just shut down football as they did with the players strike? The way I remember it, they didn't hire substitute players? Which is worse; a scab or strike breaker? Your heroes could affect the positive outcome of the strike by respecting the picket line.
 

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Can you please explain your view here? From my viewpoint, nothing was right the way that play was officiated. "Simultaneous catch" doesn't apply if one player gets control first, and Jennings clearly had possession before Tate did.
According to rule 8.1.3 (b), in order to make a catch a player must :" [touch] the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands;" By rule, Jennings did not "catch" the ball until his feet touched the ground. At that time, Golden Tate also had possession of the ball, constituting a simultaneous catch. By rule 8.1.3.5 a simultaneous catch goes to the passing team--in this case, the Seahawks. Therefore the officials on the field, the replay officials, and the NFL all made the correct call when calling the play a touchdown.


They have nothing on these second-, third- and eighteenth-tier guys coming in to call these games. The list of boneheaded, idiotic, unbelievably bad calls this season would be as long as the regular officials' lists of such calls over the last 20 seasons.
Actually they do. Superbowl XL was one of the worst officiated sporting events in U.S. history. Unlike this Monday's game, and all the other games this season, where the officiating was uniformly bad and victimized everybody, Superbowl XL was
specifically called to guarantee a Steelers win (and a Jerome Bettis send-off in his home town. Awwwww. Ain't that sweet? Sure beats having integrity in the sport).
While I can agree with that, that bias didn't enter in to the furor they voiced over such an incredibly idiotic, unthinking call.
What call was that? The missed OPI? Okay, maybe they have a point there, but the touchdown call was correct. The only reason fans think it wasn't was because they heard Jon Gruden and Stephen A. Smith caterwauling about it. Few are willing to watch the play, read the rules, and figure it out for themselves. They would rather listen to the false prophets from Bristol.
 

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The refs need a pecking order to avoid conflicting calls. But, why the grip? If it was so close, as long as the refs don't have a bias, it's just part of the game.
 

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What call was that? The missed OPI? Okay, maybe they have a point there, but the touchdown call was correct. The only reason fans think it wasn't was because they heard Jon Gruden and Stephen A. Smith caterwauling about it. Few are willing to watch the play, read the rules, and figure it out for themselves. They would rather listen to the false prophets from Bristol.
You are on an island with this thought. It's hard for me to admit this, but that call was worse than the horrible call on the Calvin Johnson CATCH in Chicago last year.

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Non-sports fans can scoff at the significance of this and the place sports has in our culture, but it's impact can't be dismissed, economically and to the morale of the country.
 

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You are on an island with this thought.
Yeah, I know. I still proclaim the truth even if I am the only one doing it. Thankfully, there are a few good folks on the island with me. Brock Huard agrees with the call, and I just heard the host on our local Christian station call it "a glorious night of football". After constantly seeing our sports teams get the short end of the stick in the press and by officiating crews, now that a controversial big call finally goes our way, I'm going to enjoy it. So, I'm a homer. Sue me.:lol
 

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