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agreed - but do you think he alienates others or does the fake news twist things to try to alienate others?

also d's and r's and women and minorities voted for him - so fake news claims that he is out of touch with people is actually reversed - fake news is out of touch with people

Re: his actual statements vs what the media reports. I found a serious comparison of this on YouTube, well before the election. It was an eye opener! I heard and saw many things as they developed and was well aware of media spin, but watching that made me realize how much had happened while I wasn't looking!

It's vicious. But Trump also contributes to it, as you say probing for reactions. When the reaction is further alienation? That's risky. This is a significant difference between business and politics.
 
not sure what you mean - i was saying that he gets accused of things there is no proof of because it didn't happen

i was trying to say - is this the same case with the allegation that he doesn't treat his employees well?

in short do you have proof he treats his employees poorly?
Again, I never said any of that. But, I have seen him say that even though it was no fault of a sub that they couldn't deliver on something, he often brags about how he let them take all the fallout and financial loss. That may be thoroughly legal business tactics, but it is skirting honesty with hiding behind slick paperwork.
 
Again, I never said any of that. But, I have seen him say that even though it was no fault of a sub that they couldn't deliver on something, he often brags about how he let them take all the fallout and financial loss. That may be thoroughly legal business tactics, but it is skirting honesty with hiding behind slick paperwork.
where and when did you hear him brag about this? - that seems so unlike his character - do you have a link to anything like this? - i'd need to hear it for myself to believe it

if this really was true this would be something plastered all over the news - and it's not

plus it would destroy his business

his policy is that being honest and fair in business is the only way to succeed in perpetuity - anything short of this is financial and business suicide - which it is

dishonest and unfair business practices always come back to bite

he's been in business since he was 24 - he's now 70
 
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