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Hi, I'm a noob and I think this is my first post here, but I wrote a blog today about some stuff that's been making me think and I wanted to see what kind of replies people had. Thanks!

The Conquering Nature of Men and the Role of Video Games

I was sitting around with some of my fellow church members last Sunday carrying on some idle conversation when a topic came and went that really caught my attention. My church is right across the street from Haskell Indian Nations University in Lawrence, and one of the former Haskell students had just moved back from New Mexico. She was talking about the guys in her church at home and how they acted when the college group met. She said that the girls were always on one side of the room talking and the guys were always on the other side of the room playing video games. She said that the ladies in her church always asked her "So, when are you going to finally get married?" and her reply was "When they quit doing this." (accompanied by hand motions mimicking a video game controller).

When I was a teenager and the internet barely even existed, those of us with modems used to patronize dial-up bulletin boards (BBS). Through a local BBS I began to play a game called MajorMUD which is a text-based role-playing game where you basically build a character to no end. The character gets bigger, you kill bigger stuff, your character gets bigger, you run out of stuff to kill. This game was so cool for me because there were other people in there with whom I could play and the more I "leveled" the more I wanted to do it some more. I thought this thing was great, but I didn't tell anyone that I played it. I knew that if everyone knew that I spent hours a day playing an online game that I would be viewed as one of "those computer guys" so I just didn't tell anyone. Lately the text-based world has become obsolete (Yes I still played MajorMUD less than a year ago) and the same type of game setup has become graphical. Now not only can you see the monsters you're killing, you can see the other players and make them look different and all sorts of cool stuff.

Well, after the statement made by the girl from my church I began to think about what she meant. I have noticed in the past few years as I meet people that an infatuation with playing video games is becoming more and more normal. I used to tell myself that it was harmless fun but the more that I grow spiritually the more I am beginning to wonder if it is really a wise use of my time. The question I began to consider was this, "Is it really just harmless fun to sit around and spent hours on a video game? Why are video games so appealing to people? Can't it just be considered good fellowship? What's the problem with playing a game every once in a while?"

The first question that I formulated an answer for was this, "Why are video games so appealing to people?" Some of this is true for both men and women, but understand that I am a male and my reflections are mostly on a male perspective. Men are conquerors. It is just part of our nature. It is often said in a marriage counseling setting that a man will find the girl he wants, do everything it takes to win her, marry her, consider the battle won and move on to something else (work, etc.). We like to win things, we like to be strong, we like to feel like we are good at what we do. This is the major reason why a game like MajorMud, or the latest version for me Ragnarok Online, would appeal to a man. He can create a character, give it his own name or any name he chooses, kill things for items that give you money to get better armor, kill more things, get all sorts of cool powers and abilities that he could never even dream of having in real life, and feel like he's accomplished something. Also, even better than real life, if you fail miserably and die trying you can just start over and do it again...There's nothing to lose! Not only this, but some games even allow you to have tons of friends with the same abilities and powers to go help you do these things, friends that often become extremely close and personal...All from the comfort of your own home. It's the perfect opportunity to sit in a room where nobody else can see you and dream that you're something which you're not. And think about it, this doesn't apply just to the online RPG that I've patronized, you can be Obi Wan Kenobi or John Elway depending on which game you're playing.

So, what's the big deal? Why can't I just sit here in my room and level my rogue and make friends with other characters and have a good time? This is the real question that I began to ask myself after I heard that girl's comment. Considering the context of her statement, I began to think about the real state of spiritual maturity for men my age in the church. How many high school and college age men in the church today are really preparing for the life of spiritual leadership that comes as the man's responsibility in the home? Consider it, it's terrifying.

This girl, who made it through a college career of ridicule for what she believed in a culture that is generally uninterested in Christianity, could not see a single man in her church in whom she was willing to put that kind of trust. Here in the United States of America our culture has become so entertainment-driven and our desires so selfish that we spend more time watching the television or playing computer games or video games than we do talking to the God who died to save us from our sin. The body of which we have become a member through faith in Christ has fallen second to the joystick and the mouse. The men of the church who should be desiring to grow and cultivate a relationship with Jesus Christ, and who are set to be the next leaders in our churches are being ineffectualized by the simplicity found in a video game. Our desires are being met at little to no risk, and the church is paying dearly.

This whole idea was brought to the forefront of my mind again today when a young boy asked me to help him beat a certain level in a video game. I told him that I couldn't help him at that time because I was busy and his reply was (whining) "But I can't beat this level and I've been trying and I want to get to the next one." My reply to him, which really got me thinking again was "I can't make beating that game a priority."

I began thinking today about the whole idea of the man's nature to be a conqueror. The parallels here are endless because there are so many things that God has given to us which we take to extremes or apply to outlets never intended by him. Eating is a good example of this; we have to do it and we generally enjoy doing it but if we enjoy it too much then it becomes unhealthy as well as sinful. The real parallel that I've made with this addiction to video games is pornography. God gave us the ability to have sex and he made it enjoyable, but outside the context of marriage it is always wrong. So many men, even men in the church, are being drawn in by the pornography industry. It destroys marriages and lives, those of the one using it and those of the ones he might eventually act those things out on.

I personally think that the infatuation with video games in our culture is having the same effect on the body of Christ as the pornography industry. Both play to a man's desire to do what men do. Both involve little to no risk which equals little to no accountability. Both can be extremely addicting. Both are time consuming. Both generally take up valuable time that could be used being a part of Christ's body, or even drawing closer to God. Both can be turned off at any time and everything that you've felt like you've gained is gone.

Video games may be more subtle than pornography when it comes to drawing a person away from the body, but they work the same none the less. I think that if the American church is going to survive another two generations we need to sell the controllers and put or focus where it really needs to be...On accomplishing the will of God and the spread of His gospel to the world. It's time for men to quit being boys, quit playing games and getting lazy, quit wasting so much time to accomplish something that is gone with the flip of a switch, and quit disappointing the women whom we were meant to honor and serve.
 
You make some very good points in your post jculp. I think a lot of guys kill way too much time with the controller and tv screen. I agree with the idea that too much time spent on playing is poor stewardship of your time. However, the thought you brought out later about men stop being boys and stop playing video games is something I don't agree with. I think in moderation, playing video games can present a time of fellowship with others no different than playing board games or card games or even sports. I've had some fun nights getting together with some friends playing video games (and yes girls enjoyed the thrill of occasionally beating a guy in a video game).

Overall though, I can agree for the most part with your post and I think it can go pretty much for anything in our lives that steal all our time away from seeking God and growing in His Word. There is nothing wrong with having hobbies and doing other things of interest, but we really do need to keep our priorities in line. Along the lines of your post, I've seen it happen where dating can steal our time away from our Christian walk. I've seen cell phones and mall trips stealing time away. I believe Paul speaks about many things in 1 Corinthians 6:12 and similarly in 1 Corinthians 10:23. I've always referenced the part "-but I will not be mastered by anything." That includes staying up every night at unearthly hours playing video games, planning to watch something on tv every night of the week, spending every free minute outside of work dating or pursuing a lady, using the cell phone to ensure that I never have to spend a single moment alone with my own mind.... or any other thing you can think of to fill in there.

I will not be mastered by anything. Video games, movies, sports, a girlfriend, friends, exercising, eating or whatever..... and sometimes this includes working for me. We need to draw lines. Like healthy living we need both a balanced diet and need exercise. We need to be good stewards of our time and to keep our priorities in line. That doesn't necessarily mean we have to give up our hobbies, we just need to be able to fast and sacrifice those things when our priorities require it.
 
My favorite video games are the Legend of Zelda for Nintendo

Final Fantasy I II III and tactics.

Warcraft III

When I was a kid I spent a lot of time playing and I DO NOT regret it.

It helped me stay imaginative and creative.

God Bless the ability to be creative and think outside the box!
 
I love the Fire Emblem series. Great writing and character development, as well as one of the few strategy RPGs I know about in the U.S. I've spent a great deal of time in my life playing video games, but I do wish I could receive the same amount of enjoyment from them without spending the usually large amount of time it takes to play.

Anyway, the comment that the girl in church made is completely one-sided and biased against men(perceived to be immature). She apparently automatically assumes that playing video games equates to immaturity, and that what the men are doing is bad. She, of course, I'm sure, considers herself mature in what she does as hobbies or with free time. The men could conversely argue that she talks too much, or that they wouldn't marry any of them until they stopped doing this(mimicking of gabbing with hands).

Bit of a tangent there.....

Video games, although perhaps used in a few ways that are harmful, have a much greater potential for usefulness:

-Development of hand eye coordination
-Development of reading skills(note here that most video games allow skipping of text)
-Desensitation to violence(useful for soldiers)
-Education(there are a number of video games used for educational purposes termed unofficially "edutainment" games)

Of course, spending an entire day gaming is not useful. However, as far as I know, Many more people spend more time watching television than gaming. Not to mention there are other things done in excess(over eating) more dangerous than excessive gaming. Before trying to stop excess, get to the greatest problems first. 8-)
 
Well, I agree with you to some extant. Playing video games isn't as ugly as surfing the web though. I've played and moded Dungeon Siege for years, and although the game is basically obsolete now compared to MMORPG's, people still play it. Dungeon Siege is a little bit unique in this respect, in that it allows players to program their characters and the game to some extant. This in itself is a learning experience and many PvP'ers that I've played with and help tutor are beginning to program in languages, starting to, or our in the VG industry. Maybe Christians, need to put there skills together to make interesting VG's, applications and learning tools? I've played with alot of females who enjoy vid's also, especially RPG's.
 
Of course.

I agree that there is nothing wrong with playing a game now and then, and I am disappointed that some seemed to see right through the issue to start assuming things about the girl who made the comment. She happens to be a very good friend of mine and her character warrants value to her opinion. The point is, most of the guys in the churches I know (and the Bible College dorms for that matter) don't play games in moderation, they play games all night long, loving the thrill of getting the most kills in Halo or whatever, and then are sleeping in class the next day. Not only this, but the younger generations are getting even worse. Hand-eye coordination can be built through doing real things like building forts and playing baseball, but in my town of about 80,000 there isn't a single sporting goods store but there are at least 6 video game shops. Something's wrong with that no matter how you spin it.
 
Maybe they could make a salvation-based video game. Play one of Jesus' disciples and see how many people you can save before getting jailed, stoned, or crucified. :tongue
 
philbo said:
Maybe they could make a salvation-based video game. Play one of Jesus' disciples and see how many people you can save before getting jailed, stoned, or crucified. :tongue

RTS based on Left Behind is under development and set to come out relatively soon. It has a considerably realistic mapping of NYC and interesting missions from what I've heard. The screenies are a tad raw but that's to be expected early in. On top of the bible story games that aren't really games so to speak that are out there.

In life, everything in moderation. Too much of an obsession leads to problems no matter what it is or how beneficial it may be. This is part of the problem with MMOG addiction. (You might have even experienced this with your MUD since those were the precursor just as much, if not moreso, than D&D and other rpg's) You're playing with tons of people, can use VOIPs to actually talk with them, and due to somewhat relative time to play you can build up a lot of friends who are on the same time you are. They really are mini-communities and you can make good friends in there same as a pen pal, only more direct and interactively shared experiences. You have a semi-social life in the game which is itself fun and an investment of time so you don't want to give it up. On top of peer pressure/goading you might cross the threshold of casual gaming into obsession. If you don't cross that line it's no worse than any other hobby. And some of the games out there really are just works of art that you get to experience in a fairly unique way. If you focus too much on one thing, you're lost to the winds until you can set your life straight again and focus.

That rambled for a bit di'nt it. Sorry.
 
Re: Of course.

jculp123180 said:
The point is, most of the guys in the churches I know (and the Bible College dorms for that matter) don't play games in moderation, they play games all night long, loving the thrill of getting the most kills in Halo or whatever, and then are sleeping in class the next day.

If they're playing games to the point where it impacts their responsibilities, then sure, it's a problem. (Of course, I did the same thing frequently in college, and managed to graduate with a laudable GPA and go on to a good job, so there's a certain degree of boys-will-be-boys in there.) But playing games is, as has been pointed out, no different than any other hobby. It's fun and healthy to the extent it doesn't get in the way of more important things. If someone wants gaming to be his principle hobby, that's fine. Hopefully he can find a girlfriend or wife who shares the same passion, and they can play together. Or maybe he'll grow bored with it in time, and move on to other passions.

Me, I still play games whenever I can I probably put in 10 hours a week, or so, which is about the most I can spare while still having enough time for my family and my job. When a really awesome game comes out, I'll stay up into the wee hours of the morning many evenings, and power my way through the next day with coffee. I see nothing wrong with this, and as importantly, neither do my family and employer, because I don't let my gaming get in the way.

As to the girl who doesn't want a boyfriend who plays a lot of games, that's fine for her. She should find a guy who doesn't like the allure of a controller. And perhaps these guys can find women who share their tastes. Where she fumbles is in assuming that gaming is a kid's hobby that can't be enjoyed by adults. This is just a hunch, but I would wager that she wouldn't look down on someone as much if he was, say, spending all his time reading medieval French literature. The funny thing is that would be just as much a waste of time. The only difference is that society hasn't decided to demonize that particular hobby.
 
Maybe they could make a salvation-based video game. Play one of Jesus' disciples and see how many people you can save before getting jailed, stoned, or crucified.

lolololol.........

Better yet....

Make a modern day video game where you go to Iran alone with a Bible and "convert" heathen Muslims!

You would have to be fast to survive!

Or even play a Muslim who goes into various evangelical Churches of America to "convert" and the consequences!

That would be interesting!
 
No, maybe you could make a game where you play GOD? HUH?
Anyways back 2 the post -> As far as being responsible yes. If ur so ingrossed by the game u do nothing else thats bad. As far as making VG's, comp app's and learning tool's there aren't many i could name. I have the demo of Heaven and hell and its not 2 bad, for 1 instance. But I'm saying interactive applications and learning tools could be expanded also. Like - just thinking off the top of my head, some games feature plots where you can choose which response you would to give from a list, and based upon ur response the game story line plot changes. NeverWinterNites and Dues Ex do this. This would work in an inactive story based game on the Bible. Even if u had a first person shooter like serious sam or quake where you survive the wiles of the desert, to enter the promised land would be nice. Or perhaps a Civilization type game where u build city's and defend them, and research technologies. Several more ideas come 2 mind but anyways just a thought. Not 2 mention interactive bible's, prog's on creation, or better yet "The Revelation Game" where u get to blow away Satan and his minion's, tehe!
 
ÃÂoppleganger said:
No, maybe you could make a game where you play GOD? HUH?

You're about 20 years too late. Ever heard of Populous? Black and White?

or better yet "The Revelation Game" where u get to blow away Satan and his minion's, tehe!

Doom. :)
 
The point is, most of the guys in the churches I know (and the Bible College dorms for that matter) don't play games in moderation, they play games all night long, loving the thrill of getting the most kills in Halo or whatever, and then are sleeping in class the next day.
Scary to think that this is the character of some of our future "pastors".
 
HAHA, I know Jculp, we went to high school together. And both live in larryville.

anyway, I'm with jculp on this one, i have many friends who play for hours, especially halo 1 and 2. For a while it was the entire conversation of one of our accountability groups, not for accountability, but rather strategies about the game :sad .

There are plenty of other things that can consume a person as well. I would say that sports were at this level of obsession for me at one point in my life. For my room mate it is computer networking (odd).

There is still something to be said for moderation. And setting God as your #1 priority.
 
HAHA, I know Jculp, we went to high school together. And both live in larryville.

The funny thing is...we knew each other and neither of us were believers until well after high school. Isn't God awesome?

I agree with most of y'all that there's nothing wrong with playing a game or two..I don't really think there's anything wrong with drinking a beer or two either..but since I used to drink heavily I choose not to drink period because I don't want to stumble back into it. I think I've made the same decision about gaming. The problem with alot of games, especially RPGs like Muds and Ragnarok, WoW, etc. is that they aren't fun unless you play them all the time. I know that in Ragnarok I was expected to be leveling my character(s) for hours each day or I might get left behind. I needed the exp, I needed the cash for gear, and if I was too small or too inactive my guild would just kick me to make room for someone else. It's hard to play games like that in moderation. :-?
 
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