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WalMart--Fair and Proper?

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2) Should the uppermost management and top executives at WalMart forego some of their own income, as a kindness, in order to pay store level associates more sufficiently?..

Is this survey from a bunch of whining cry babies? It seems like a Sales associate pity me party here.

Let's get a few facts straight.

Walmart makes a net profit of 34,000 every single minute. Nobody has to give up any income for them to give everyone a raise. More than enough money for everyone if Walmart decided to distribute it out more.

3) Are you willing to forego some of your own income to compensate store level associates better?..

Some of the questions are covetous, and a thought that upper level management do not deserve what they are making, or a thought that it's wrong that I get paid so little as a store Associate when the guys on top make all the big bucks.

Go find another job!!! That solves the problem. wow.

This sense of entitlement is devilish. Jesus even told a parable about this and the bottom line is you know what they are going to pay you to do the work they ask you to do. They are not forcing you to stay there.

My Son is a Sales Associate at Walmart. He handles lots of money, has to make decisions for cashiers, and controls much of what is going on up front. If the lines get to long, he gets his butt handed to him for something he had no control over. They often have him do one thing, but blame him if something not related is not done.

All for less than 10.00 hr.

McDonald's in Seattle is paying 15.00 hr.

I asked him yesterday if He thought about going for a Salary promotion, or switching Jobs. He works so hard for so little, and runs around like a cat with a mouse trap clamped to it's tale. (Don't ask me how I know what that looks like :) )

He said, I believe this is where God wants me now, it's not about the pay, and if God says move, I move or ask for promotion.

That is a great answer as it's never about the pay, but are you where God said be? If your dissatisfied, always frustrated at where your working, then there might be no grace to work there as your out of the place God would have you.

Adding dollars to your pocket, does not make being at the wrong place, working the wrong Job, obedient to where God would have you. Money does not fix spiritual issues. If you are where God said be, then your working for the Lord, and the Lord always meets your needs and there is grace to be where God said be.

You can make millions, or make 9.00hr. None of that matters if you not in your place, as you will be dissatisfied, unfulfilled, feeling like your not accomplishing anything in life, and nothing for eternal reward as your own works get burned up, and count for zero.

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2) Should the uppermost management and top executives at WalMart forego some of their own income, as a kindness, in order to pay store level associates more sufficiently?..

Is this survey from a bunch of whining cry babies? It seems like a Sales associate pity me party here.

Let's get a few facts straight.

Walmart makes a net profit of 34,000 every single minute. Nobody has to give up any income for them to give everyone a raise. More than enough money for everyone if Walmart decided to distribute it out more.

3) Are you willing to forego some of your own income to compensate store level associates better?..

Some of the questions are covetous, and a thought that upper level management do not deserve what they are making, or a thought that it's wrong that I get paid so little as a store Associate when the guys on top make all the big bucks.

Go find another job!!! That solves the problem. wow.

This sense of entitlement is devilish. Jesus even told a parable about this and the bottom line is you know what they are going to pay you to do the work they ask you to do. They are not forcing you to stay there.

My Son is a Sales Associate at Walmart. He handles lots of money, has to make decisions for cashiers, and controls much of what is going on up front. If the lines get to long, he gets his butt handed to him for something he had no control over. They often have him do one thing, but blame him if something not related is not done.

All for less than 10.00 hr.

McDonald's in Seattle is paying 15.00 hr.

I asked him yesterday if He thought about going for a Salary promotion, or switching Jobs. He works so hard for so little, and runs around like a cat with a mouse trap clamped to it's tale. (Don't ask me how I know what that looks like :) )

He said, I believe this is where God wants me now, it's not about the pay, and if God says move, I move or ask for promotion.

That is a great answer as it's never about the pay, but are you where God said be? If your dissatisfied, always frustrated at where your working, then there might be no grace to work there as your out of the place God would have you.

Adding dollars to your pocket, does not make being at the wrong place, working the wrong Job, obedient to where God would have you. Money does not fix spiritual issues. If you are where God said be, then your working for the Lord, and the Lord always meets your needs and there is grace to be where God said be.

You can make millions, or make 9.00hr. None of that matters if you not in your place, as you will be dissatisfied, unfulfilled, feeling like your not accomplishing anything in life, and nothing for eternal reward as your own works get burned up, and count for zero.

Mike
You seem bent on arguing. I didn't post this to argue with anyone.
 
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You seem bent on arguing. I didn't post this to argue with anyone.
No, I am just confused as to the reason you posted it. It seems like a bunch of Sales Associates banned together to make right the evils of Walmart.

If your a Sales associate, then I feel for you. I know what my son goes through with little appreciation. My son gets it from upper management, and gets it from the mean customers who want to price match everything and do what they can to get free'bee's . Doing manager Work, for less than what they pay at McDonald's.
 
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I think the upper levels should take a pay cut to make life better for the lower levels. They do that kinda thing in Japan, I think. I read elsewhere that a lot of lower level wal mart employees are on state assistance, so...tax payers are subsidizing wal-mart, basically. For full time employees. Ridiculous.
 

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I think the upper levels should take a pay cut to make life better for the lower levels. They do that kinda thing in Japan, I think. I read elsewhere that a lot of lower level wal mart employees are on state assistance, so...tax payers are subsidizing wal-mart, basically. For full time employees. Ridiculous.
On that note.I'm doing a thread on social security dry in 13 years
 

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No, I am just confused as to the reason you posted it. It seems like a bunch of Sales Associates banned together to make right the evils of Walmart.

If your a Sales associate, then I feel for you. I know what my son goes through with little appreciation. My son gets it from upper management, and gets it from the mean customers who want to price match everything and do what they can to get free'bee's . Doing manager Work, for less than what they pay at McDonald's.
Okay. For the record, (and I might be sticking my neck out here), I wrote this app, for one purpose, which is stated at the webpage posted above. I wrote it without foreknowledge of anyone else. There is no group of associates bound together in any manner.

WalMart is a great place to work--despite their grave shortcomings with regard to wages of store level associates. I worked very hard as a WalMart associate, and never complained. My work was appreciated by the stores I worked at, even to the extent of the store managers. I served in several departments at various times, including department manager of two departments. When asked by outsiders, "Do you like working at WalMart," absolutely, WalMart is a blessing, with one reservation--store level pay.

But I do have a greater grievance, and that is that store-level associates do not make use of the means
WalMart gives them to ask, "What's up with these wages?" WalMart provides ample opportunity to address anything that concerns them about the way things are done, or anything that occurs at WalMart. It's called the Open Door. Go through your store manager. If they don't listen go to your market manager, etc.

And to clarify, by "upper management," I mean the top executives and other big shots at corporate. This excludes such managers as store managers and probably even market-district managers. As a note, if store managers earn around $100,000 a year (according to the glass door: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Walmart-Store-Manager-Salaries-E715_D_KO8,21.htm ), arguably fair, what do you think those at corporate are making? As far as profits are concerned, I do believe the only ones who share in those are the stockholders.

So, "What's up with these wages?" The idea is, to get enough people to take the two-question survey, that we get people's attention, including upper management. If we get the customers to respond, and the associates, but corporate fails to participate, how does it make them look? My intent isn't to make anyone look bad, but to move them to action.

It is certainly true that, "It is not by might nor by power," but it is also true that "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." And if anyone is a slave when he is called, and has opportunity for freedom, he should take it.
 

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im not a fan of wally world, but I have never worked there. I have had some bad products sold to me. just my experience.
 
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It is certainly true that, "It is not by might nor by power," but it is also true that "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." And if anyone is a slave when he is called, and has opportunity for freedom, he should take it.
Well, it sounded like you have some valued interest in this topic. No doubt Sales assosates are asked to do things when they are suppose to be watching something else, given great power over money and people, but not paid for the awesome responsibility that other companies pay employee's who hold the same level of authority and responsibility.
My son handles everything, open and closes lines, sends employee's on break, runs the cash station, pulls products that needed rotated and out of date, then yelled at for not taking a cash register if a customer complains.

All for under 10.00 an hour.

I get it.

We can do all things through Christ (The anointing, His anointing and power) who gives us strength. Nothing wrong with asking for more.

However, nobody at Walmart needs to take a pay cut to give associates a pay raise. At 34,000 a min profit, Walmart has more than enough coming in.

Walmart promotes cash register folks into high stress low paying Sales associates jobs. The free training and experience is worth what price?

Walmart will promote those sales associates into Salary manager's at around 45K a year. No college, no other training, some paid higher.

From there, a store manager makes as you said over 100K a year, depending on a lot of things and bonuses. Some make far more than that.

As a professional Truck driver, my last year I drove I made 56,000 that year. Never home, dealing with all kinds of stuff out on the road, and ran constantly. It took me 8 years to get to that level of miles paid.

My son was offered to put in for Salary manager just after 4 years of service. He turned it down as he is going to school, but would have made more, been home every night and I am busting my butt, hoping the weather is nice to make the same amount of money.

Folks with 4 years of college are hunting jobs, and take jobs that pay far less.

I am not trying to be mean, but I don't see any issue for any grievance here. Everyone pays their dues. If folks don't like it, can't be patience, then they can just leave Walmart.

If Walmart can get manager responsible employee's and pay them nothing, but offer those that are good a Assistant manager position at 45,000 or more a year as the next step. 10% above national avg according to Glass door. Sounds like a win, win to me.

blessings.
 
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im not a fan of wally world, but I have never worked there. I have had some bad products sold to me. just my experience.
Often the Strawberries have mold............ The produce needs help. It is, what it is though. Despite the mold, and many we have thrown away, we still buy them.
 

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nobody at Walmart needs to take a pay cut to give associates a pay raise. At 34,000 a min profit, Walmart has more than enough coming in.
Profits are what's left after expenses are paid, including salaries and wages. Most of that goes to the company (capital) and stockholders, if my memory serves me well.
 
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Profits are what's left after expenses are paid, including salaries and wages. Most of that goes to the company (capital) and stockholders, if my memory serves me well.
Looking at numbers now. 600 million to open like 30 smaller stores this year, not counting the 129 billion for 12 months in profit which is awesome. My understanding that does not include paying employee's but just product.

http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Wal-Mart_(WMT)/Data/Gross_Profit

Thing is, If I was Walmart and this is what they look at promoting Salary managers from within, at very good pay. Not all Sales Associates are that great. I have seen some my son works with, and certainly not management material. My son and only a couple others are the constant goto people when higher level things need done. The rest are just there.

So the person I want to promote is the person that never complains, always the same personality, never up, never down, professional, despite the low pay and nonsense I throw their way every day. I think it's a good test of faithfulness.

People have this sense of entitlement in this generation and it's just wrong. Trust God, be where your suppose to be, and Work unto God, keep your mouth shut and do your best.

My Son tithes faithfully of what little he makes, and God has blessed him. They even sowed him a truck to drive at our church, and the Lord had me sow my beloved 6x core computer to him. It's not about the money, it's about God who always supplies our needs.

Blessings.
 

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Looking at numbers now. 600 million to open like 30 smaller stores this year, not counting the 129 billion for 12 months in profit which is awesome.
Well, as an accounting major, if profits are 129 billion, and only 600 million before profits, was spent opening 30 stores. That's less than 1% of profits opening those new stores. Hmmm? I wonder what the big guys got paid? If they had opened more stores, it might have been more justifiable. I'd bet it's more than 600 million alltogether.
 
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Well, as an accounting major, if profits are 129 billion, and only 600 million before profits, was spent opening 30 stores. That's less than 1% of profits opening those new stores. Hmmm? I wonder what the big guys got paid? If they had opened more stores, it might have been more justifiable. I'd bet it's more than 600 million alltogether.
Help me understand this. You mentioned about what the "Big guys" got paid.

Twice in your statement on the website you mention the "Big Guys" having to give up some pay, as an act of "kindness" to give the lower folks more pay. Do we assume they are not kind already?

You refer to the upper management as "Big shots" in post 7 This statement is made by folks who feel less than others, and envious of what "Big Shots" have.

I am detecting bitterness of what someone else is perceive to have, a sense of someone who feels shorted, but knows they should not feel that way. A sense of some entitlement that was never promised. It's pretty serious to think someone should give a dime of their money to someone who has agreed to work for a certain wage.

You used the Word "Slave" How where you kept hostage and as a slave?

Then we use some justification to be like the rest of the world quoting some scriptures. We have lots of scripture not to envy, to be content, to be obedient in those of authority over us, praying for them.

And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive. So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
(Mat 20:2-15)


What is the root of this here? Holding onto this can effect and make rotten other things in your life. What's up? A slave?
 

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Help me understand this. You mentioned about what the "Big guys" got paid.

Twice in your statement on the website you mention the "Big Guys" having to give up some pay, as an act of "kindness" to give the lower folks more pay. Do we assume they are not kind already?

You refer to the upper management as "Big shots" in post 7 This statement is made by folks who feel less than others, and envious of what "Big Shots" have.

I am detecting bitterness of what someone else is perceive to have, a sense of someone who feels shorted, but knows they should not feel that way. A sense of some entitlement that was never promised. It's pretty serious to think someone should give a dime of their money to someone who has agreed to work for a certain wage.

You used the Word "Slave" How where you kept hostage and as a slave?

Then we use some justification to be like the rest of the world quoting some scriptures. We have lots of scripture not to envy, to be content, to be obedient in those of authority over us, praying for them.

And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive. So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
(Mat 20:2-15)


What is the root of this here? Holding onto this can effect and make rotten other things in your life. What's up? A slave?
 

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Have you read the story of the rich man and Lazarus?
im familiar with that. but well if one has stocks in companies and they are part of your retirement., it tends to make on pause. yes there are greed in business( I don't have any trust fund stocks in wally world.) but to get the amount of a decent pension it takes on your part over a million dollars saved. at time of retirement that isn't a lot to live off of .
 

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Have you read the story of the rich man and Lazarus?
while im not a fan of wal mart. I will say this since I work for the often haters of Walmart in print. the media that points out their sins is also doing the same thing. is it fair to pay me .126 cents per paper to deliver then at the same time charge me for missing that person, we paper five dollars? or how about they don't have to pay any benefits including obamacare because we are independent contractors. so forgive me if I don't see Walmart as some do in this thread. its more about dividing and turning americans against each other then actually paying a man honest wages.
 

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