WAS THE LAW FULFILLED OR ABOLISHED?

[JLB]

Nobody can keep the Commandments.....One might think they are “Fit for Heaven”because they have never committed Adultery..... that’s a shame because Jesus taught that if you even have a Lustful “ thought” ,you are as guilty as the person that does it.....That is why the Grace Of God is our only hope for Salvation ......

Yes the grace of God is what empowers us to walk according to the Spirit, in which we rule in dominion over the sin that dwells in our flesh.


Johns says that His Commandments are not burdensome.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


If we have a problem with stealing from our brother then maybe we should go to God and ask Him to gives us wisdom to know what we need to do, to get free.


Maybe our issue is adultery or fornication. If it is and we are serious about living a life free from this sin, then we should avoid the wrong crowd, and avoid the wrong places, and avoid looking at the wrong thing, asking God to fill us with His Spirit, and deliver us from this evil.

Spending time in prayer with the Lord, worshipping Him Mandela feeding on His word, is a good way to “invest ourselves towards the things of the Spirit”, rather than sowing to the lustful desires of our flesh.


Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:7-8


he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.



Show me a man who spends his time alone with God, praying and interceding for his family and the lost, fasting and worshiping the Lord, and I will show you a man who has learned how to rule over sin, and walk according to the Spirit...

I will show you a man who does not consider His commandments as burdensome.


Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

• that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

JLB

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

Verses like these can sometimes lead to Saved -Forever Believers having doubts about their Salvation.As ALL such “ scary” verses , they are taken out of context or are not being addressed to the Body Of Christ.....Those in that Body “will be Saved to the Uttermost” and will “ Never come into Condemnation”......God HAS TO get us Home— HIS WORD is at stake!

 

[GodsGrace]

I 100% agree with this statement. I know what the law says and I don't hate the law, but I live by the Spirit now and I don't want to promote the law. If that makes sense?

I suppose if we are speaking to unbelievers then promoting the law may be a good thing, cause the law points us in the direction of Christ.

Romans 7:10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.

This whole section of scripture is saying that hearing the law brings death, so then that is where those of us who understand sin and us not wanting to die........we want to be raised with Christ.

Romans 8:11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

It's not that I hate the law, but the law was written on tablets and I want to point to Jesus

2 Corinthians 3:2-6 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everybody. You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. Such confidence as this is ours through Christ before God. Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. He has made us competent as ministers of the new covenant - not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Just a couple of comments.

I don't think it's such a good idea to present unbelievers with the law.
Depending on the conversation (which varies from person to person) I do think it's good to make persons understand that they need God because we are all sinners heading you know where unless we find God.

As to the law, we, as Christians, know the Law of God,,,the commandments, the Two Great Commandments Jesus left us with, The Royal Law, etc. but it's because it HAS been presented to us. Others may not know and thus it's important to know all these rules even if we know the Holy Spirit will guide us.

What does worry me is that at times I hear persons say that we are not obligated to keep the commandments. At times I'm not sure what this means. As I read the N.T. and Jesus' words, it does become clear to me that we ARE to obey God and His commandments --- all of them (not the 603) to the best of our ability.

I just hope this is clear since I do believe we will be judged on our obedience also.
Otherwise we could just say we're born again and live a life of sin....this is wrong.

 

[WIP]

What does worry me is that at times I hear persons say that we are not obligated to keep the commandments. At times I'm not sure what this means.

When I hear words like "you must keep the 10 commandments...." I am hearing a person that is focused more on the commandments or laws than on the grace, forgiveness, and love that has been granted to us by God.

 

[Hawkins]

I wonder if we Christians have a clear idea of what it means to fulfill the law.

Fulfill means "pay the bill of the credit card". Without Jesus, the Mosaic Law and covenant can't exist as a whole in a legitimacy sense.

It works like this,
God has an ultimate set of Law based on which an entity (whether he's an angel or a human) will be judged in the Final Judgment to decide whether he is entitled to live in the future Heaven under building (New Earth and New Heaven), where angels and humans are to live God ever and forever.

With this ultimate set of Law in place, there will be 2/3 angels pass the judgment to enter Heaven. However with the effort of Satan ever since Adam, there won't be any humans who can pass the Final Judgment using this set of Law as a standard to enter Heaven.

God's original plan:
2/3 angels will enter Heaven
less than 1/3 humans will enter Heaven (it's literally a mathematical expected outcome, as a result of the extent of freewill given/granted)

With Satan's effort:
2/3 angels will enter Heaven, the other 1/3 will fall with Satan
0% humans can enter Heaven. This is Satan's plan, in order to win his war with God

With Jesus' crucifixion:
2/3 angels will enter Heaven, as judged by the ultimate set of Law
less than 1/3 humans will pass the Final Judgment by covenants instead of Law. Jesus' crucifixion acts as a justification of Law in order to make it legitimate that humans are judged differently than angels. God's plans is retained this way with 2/3 angels and less than 1/3 humans will set foot on the soil of Heaven.

Jesus is thus said to come to fulfill the Law (makes it possible and lawful/legal that humans are judged by covenants (Mosaic Law is a set of Law within the Mosaic covenant) instead of the ultimate set of Law applicable to the angels.

God's ultimate set of Law: applicable to angels and humans alike
Covenants (not possible without Jesus): only applicable to humans
Mosaic Law: a set of Law within the Mosaic covenant and is only applicable to the Jews (defined as the circumcised), though with some of the contents included in the New Covenant but is no longer enforced as laws but commandments or Christ's teachings in NT.

Most ceremonial laws can no longer be practiced due to the loss of the Second Temple in AD 70. Most ceremonial rites are required to be practiced inside the Temple and inside the Temple only. That's why the Jews will have to return to Jerusalem in main festivals each year. These rites cannot be practiced legitimately by the Jews with the Temple gone. God however doesn't need to change anything in terms of the covenant and Mosaic Law. The Jews, in order for their sins to be atoned for, thus must believe in Jesus - God's only Temple built in 3 days in today's world.

Christians on the other hand, can ignore those ceremonial laws unless they are conveyed as commandments and teachings in the New Testament. Paul's job is to make the New Covenant practical in his churches, most of them are a mixture of both Jewish and gentile Christians. His job is thus very tough, for the Jews to keep their customs (the part not violating the New Covenant) while enforcing the New Covenant correctly to both the Jewish and gentile Christians.

The "New comes with the Old gone" is said from two perspectives. 1) The Mosaic covenant is no longer applicable to the gentiles as put by Jesus said that Law (Mosaic) and Prophets are proclaimed only up the point of John the Baptist. 2) Since then the gospel needs to be preached to each and every nation, as only the New Covenant will be universally applied for humans to be judged, both the Jews and gentiles alike. This simply means "forget about the OT as it no longer saves", though nothing in terms of the Mosaic covenant needs to be changed. It's still there (mostly for the Jews to observe if possible), it just can't be used to save anyone.

 

[LovethroughDove]

What does worry me is that at times I hear persons say that we are not obligated to keep the commandments. At times I'm not sure what this means. As I read the N.T. and Jesus' words, it does become clear to me that we ARE to obey God and His commandments --- all of them (not the 603) to the best of our ability.

I get where you are coming from, cause I was there just a short while ago. God has recently humbled me in the way that I need to look to him on doing the right thing.

Hebrews 10:26-29 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

I think this sums up any kind of worry those of us who love the truth have. Grace doesn't mean that we go hog wild with sin.......quite the opposite!

Grace means look to him to fulfill the will that God has on our lives. He can and he does guide us if we let him do it.

 

[LovethroughDove]

 

[GodsGrace]

When I hear words like "you must keep the 10 commandments...." I am hearing a person that is focused more on the commandments or laws than on the grace, forgiveness, and love that has been granted to us by God.

Actually, I never thought of it much either, till I came to these forums.
What I hear is pretty scary and I do think the truth must be told.
The truth is that God wants us to obey Him.
But, of course, we should want to,,,if we don't there's something wrong anyway.

 

[GodsGrace]

I get where you are coming from, cause I was there just a short while ago. God has recently humbled me in the way that I need to look to him on doing the right thing.

Hebrews 10:26-29 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

I think this sums up any kind of worry those of us who love the truth have. Grace doesn't mean that we go hog wild with sin.......quite the opposite!

Grace means look to him to fulfill the will that God has on our lives. He can and he does guide us if we let him do it.

I agree with you.
But some think they can go on sinning and still be saved.
Some may be reading along right now.
So I like to speak to them for fear that they might be lost.

You said the magic words....we can follow Him, IF WE LET HIM DO IT.
Some speak about grace and feel secure....
and do not let Him do it.

P.S. I don't mean by the above that it's possible to have a sinless life.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Christ has nothing to do with the Law of Moses.
However, He has everything to do with the Moral Law.
You can skirt around the issue as much as you like,,,but
we will be judged by our good deeds and we are required
to keep the Moral Law.

John 5:28-29
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Jesus told the paralyzed man not to sin anymore.
John 5:14

Everything Jesus taught was about how we are to behave.
There is one verse where He says to believe.
John 6:40
but this means that we are to believe/obey.
He who believes also obeys.

Do you deny this?

we will be judged by our good deeds and we are required
to keep the Moral Law.


If you are talking about doing good deeds and being “moral” as the way to Salvation, you could not BE more UnBiblical......

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

we will be judged by our good deeds and we are required
to keep the Moral Law.


If you are talking about doing good deeds and being “moral” as the way to Salvation, you could not BE more UnBiblical......

God is not looking for “ moral” people.....He is looking for Immoral people who KNOW that they “immoral” and know that they need a Savior to Save them...
If one tries to use their own personal Morality as the means to enter Heaven, they will discover too late that the Standard for an entrance to Heaven using “ goodness” or “morality” is Perfection.....maybe your Performance, morally speaking, reaches that level....
Knowing that my Moral Performance stinks, I found another way to get Saved.....I put my Faith in the One that
“ Could” Be Perfect......Because “ HE” was perfectly Moral and lead a Sinless life, He was given the right to atone for all of the sins of Mankind....Jesus took on all of my sins and in exchange I got imputed with His Righteousness .....what a deal! How does one get this Deal? Simple....Rest in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4.....Nothing But The Blood....Nothing.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Christ has nothing to do with the Law of Moses.
However, He has everything to do with the Moral Law.
You can skirt around the issue as much as you like,,,but
we will be judged by our good deeds and we are required
to keep the Moral Law.

John 5:28-29
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Jesus told the paralyzed man not to sin anymore.
John 5:14

Everything Jesus taught was about how we are to behave.
There is one verse where He says to believe.
John 6:40
but this means that we are to believe/obey.
He who believes also obeys.

Do you deny this?

Yes.I deny that
He who Believes has the Holy Spirit within them....Unfortunately, even though he now has been “ Born Again” and possesses a “ New Nature” That can not sin, He also has his his old Adamic Nature That sins and loves to sin.....this man is now engaged in a War- a War That will not end while we live in these bodies of Flesh.....God has given us the Freedom to choose which Nature we will follow.Wise Believers will try to listen to the New Man and let Him guide them.....Foolish Believers listen to the Old Man to see what they can get away with .....As it turns out, they don’t get away with anything—— a Child Of God Who has the Holy Spirit in them ( never forget, if you do not have that Spirit Inside you, “ you are NONE of His) will be punished when he sins. Sin, over time, will be as pleasurable to the Believer as sticking his hand in a fire ......if God’s Chastising does not get the job done.....if a Foolish rebel doesn’t wise-up, God has no problem letting them die a premature death and take them Home with no rewards .....Salvation is still intact......God aint gonna Let a Sinful, stubborn JackAss cause Him to break His Word......God Promised to “ finish the job HE started”. God has his Limits —He will NOT be mocked!

 

[GodsGrace]

Fulfill means "pay the bill of the credit card". Without Jesus, the Mosaic Law and covenant can't exist as a whole in a legitimacy sense.

Please read post 11 and 19, 20.
It refers to what fulfill means and it refers to the civil and ceremonial laws.
It really does not mean to pay the bill, although Jesus did that too because He is our atonement or propitiation for sin.

It works like this,
God has an ultimate set of Law based on which an entity (whether he's an angel or a human) will be judged in the Final Judgment to decide whether he is entitled to live in the future Heaven under building (New Earth and New Heaven), where angels and humans are to live God ever and forever.

With this ultimate set of Law in place, there will be 2/3 angels pass the judgment to enter Heaven. However with the effort of Satan ever since Adam, there won't be any humans who can pass the Final Judgment using this set of Law as a standard to enter Heaven.

God's original plan:
2/3 angels will enter Heaven
less than 1/3 humans will enter Heaven (it's literally a mathematical expected outcome, as a result of the extent of freewill given/granted)

With Satan's effort:
2/3 angels will enter Heaven, the other 1/3 will fall with Satan
0% humans can enter Heaven. This is Satan's plan, in order to win his war with God

With Jesus' crucifixion:
2/3 angels will enter Heaven, as judged by the ultimate set of Law
less than 1/3 humans will pass the Final Judgment by covenants instead of Law. Jesus' crucifixion acts as a justification of Law in order to make it legitimate that humans are judged differently than angels. God's plans is retained this way with 2/3 angels and less than 1/3 humans will set foot on the soil of Heaven.

Angels have already been judged. They're not going to be judged again.
Out of all this that you've posted, I'd have to say that persons in the O.T.were also saved by their faith. It's our faith that saves us. Men have always had, or not had, faith in God.

Jesus is thus said to come to fulfill the Law (makes it possible and lawful/legal that humans are judged by covenants (Mosaic Law is a set of Law within the Mosaic covenant) instead of the ultimate set of Law applicable to the angels.

What do you mean that humans are judged by Covenants?
What law is applicable to angels?
Do you have scripture for what you state?

God's ultimate set of Law: applicable to angels and humans alike
Covenants (not possible without Jesus): only applicable to humans
Mosaic Law: a set of Law within the Mosaic covenant and is only applicable to the Jews (defined as the circumcised), though with some of the contents included in the New Covenant but is no longer enforced as laws but commandments or Christ's teachings in NT.

Covenants have always existed from the time of Adam.
What do you mean that Covenants are only possible with Jesus?
I agree with the last sentence.

Most ceremonial laws can no longer be practiced due to the loss of the Second Temple in AD 70. Most ceremonial rites are required to be practiced inside the Temple and inside the Temple only. That's why the Jews will have to return to Jerusalem in main festivals each year. These rites cannot be practiced legitimately by the Jews with the Temple gone. God however doesn't need to change anything in terms of the covenant and Mosaic Law. The Jews, in order for their sins to be atoned for, thus must believe in Jesus - God's only Temple built in 3 days in today's world.

Agreed

Christians on the other hand, can ignore those ceremonial laws unless they are conveyed as commandments and teachings in the New Testament. Paul's job is to make the New Covenant practical in his churches, most of them are a mixture of both Jewish and gentile Christians. His job is thus very tough, for the Jews to keep their customs (the part not violating the New Covenant) while enforcing the New Covenant correctly to both the Jewish and gentile Christians.

Agreed!
Well said.

The "New comes with the Old gone" is said from two perspectives. 1) The Mosaic covenant is no longer applicable to the gentiles as put by Jesus said that Law (Mosaic) and Prophets are proclaimed only up the point of John the Baptist. 2) Since then the gospel needs to be preached to each and every nation, as only the New Covenant will be universally applied for humans to be judged, both the Jews and gentiles alike. This simply means "forget about the OT as it no longer saves", though nothing in terms of the Mosaic covenant needs to be changed. It's still there (mostly for the Jews to observe if possible), it just can't be used to save anyone.

Laws never saved anyone...this is true.
Only faith saves, whether in the O.T. or the N.T.
I agree with everything you've said,
but could you clarify if Christians are obligated to keep the 10 commandments?
Thanks.

 

[JLB]

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

Verses like these can sometimes lead to Saved -Forever Believers having doubts about their Salvation.As ALL such “ scary” verses , they are taken out of context or are not being addressed to the Body Of Christ.....Those in that Body “will be Saved to the Uttermost” and will “ Never come into Condemnation”......God HAS TO get us Home— HIS WORD is at stake!

The way we avoid practicing the works of the flesh, is to walk in the Spirit.


I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:16-21


This statement from Paul is unmistakable—

• I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

The born again Christian has the ability, unlike the unbeliever, to walk, (to live their life), according to the Spirit.

Paul teaches us that this is the way to avoid living according to the flesh, whereby we practice the works of the flesh.

Paul had warned this Church at Corinth before and is now warning them again...

• I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
  
  
  JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

we will be judged by our good deeds and we are required
to keep the Moral Law.


If you are talking about doing good deeds and being “moral” as the way to Salvation, you could not BE more UnBiblical......

Please quote me a verse where Jesus, somehow, makes it be understood that we do not need to do good deeds and we do not need to be moral.

I did not say this leads to salvation....
I said we, as Christians, ARE required to obey God...this means doing good deeds and being moral.

Doing Good Works

Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.


Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.


Colossians 1:10
So as to walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to him, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God.


Morality:

Romans 13:8-10
Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


Mark 7:20-21
And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes.I deny that
He who Believes has the Holy Spirit within them....Unfortunately, even though he now has been “ Born Again” and possesses a “ New Nature” That can not sin, He also has his his old Adamic Nature That sins and loves to sin.....this man is now engaged in a War- a War That will not end while we live in these bodies of Flesh.....God has given us the Freedom to choose which Nature we will follow.Wise Believers will try to listen to the New Man and let Him guide them.....Foolish Believers listen to the Old Man to see what they can get away with .....As it turns out, they don’t get away with anything—— a Child Of God Who has the Holy Spirit in them ( never forget, if you do not have that Spirit Inside you, “ you are NONE of His) will be punished when he sins. Sin, over time, will be as pleasurable to the Believer as sticking his hand in a fire ......if God’s Chastising does not get the job done.....if a Foolish rebel doesn’t wise-up, God has no problem letting them die a premature death and take them Home with no rewards .....Salvation is still intact......God aint gonna Let a Sinful, stubborn JackAss cause Him to break His Word......God Promised to “ finish the job HE started”. God has his Limits —He will NOT be mocked!

The tug of war should end at some point.
A christian cannot go through life fighting a tug of war....
if he does there's something wrong.

God will not be mocked is right....
We either serve HIM or we do not and we serve the enemy.

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

I see no Biblical basis for seeing "divisions" within the Law of Moses. I think the Biblical position is that the entire Law of Moses, including the 10 commandments, is "retired" in the sense that it has been superseded by the indwelling Spirit. So, of course, it is not OK to commit murder even if we do not need the Law of Moses to tell us this.

Why is it not ok to murder if the OT Law is "retired" and dead to the Christian?

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

The tug of war should end at some point.
A christian cannot go through life fighting a tug of war....
if he does there's something wrong.

God will not be mocked is right....
We either serve HIM or we do not and we serve the enemy.

The “ Tug Of War” will end when we exchange our Flesh Bodies for our “ Resurrected Bodies”....We are engaged in Spiritual Warfare and we must don our “ Armor Of God” to fight the Forces Of “ Spiritual Darkness” as long as we are alive.....I see nothing in Scripture to indicate a time will come that we can put our guard down and remove our “ Armor”.......

 

[Edward]

Why is it not ok to murder if the OT Law is "retired" and dead to the Christian?

Because the Spirit does not murder or lead one to commit murder. Murder is a fleshly act and not of the Spirit. If we were to choose to murder anyone then being of the flesh can not be of God.

Galatians 5:16-21

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.../

The law is only good to show us sin. The Lord wants us to be righteous (in Him) so He gave us the law in order for us to be able to read it and identify areas in our own life in which we should do better.

So, like for instance, a convict in prison is in there for murder and he gets born again. He then begins to try to please his Lord by not murdering anymore when he gets out. That is obedience to the Lord and He is pleased when we resist the evil thoughts of murder or any sin. The Lord rewards obedience.

 

[GodsGrace]

The “ Tug Of War” will end when we exchange our Flesh Bodies for our “ Resurrected Bodies”....We are engaged in Spiritual Warfare and we must don our “ Armor Of God” to fight the Forces Of “ Spiritual Darkness” as long as we are alive.....I see nothing in Scripture to indicate a time will come that we can put our guard down and remove our “ Armor”.......

I didn't say we should put our guard down.

I said our Christian walk should not be a tug of war.
If it is,,,,there's something we've missed.

If we walk with the Spirit,,,we will serve the Spirit.

Ephesians 5:8
For at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light


1 John 2:6
Whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.


Galatians 5:22-24
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.