We are NOT in the End Times

[TruthSeeker2012]

Avoid emotional and fanatical people who claim Jesus is coming "soon" and the kingdom is at hand etc. They are fanatical people and violate what Bible teaches that we are not to start setting dates etc.

Cults set dates and claim "Jesus is coming, Jesus is coming.. We are in the END TIMES!!!".

And many Cult members are deceived and misled by "END TIMES" messages that they sell up their homes, quit their jobs, and give their money away, and then when "END TIMES" don't occur, they lose faith in God and their children are made to suffer and have nowhere to live and no food to eat.

Jesus didn't even know when He was set to return, so no human on Earth has any idea either.

Jesus is not near to returning at all! It's a long way away and in the meantime Christians should live each day carrying their Crosses and helping the needy and sharing the Gospel.

Jesus is not near....there are still a lot of things to happen. Every day around the world there are thousands of people being born again and saved. If Jesus had have returned yesterday, that means thousands of people would have been denied the chance to be saved and go to heaven.

Jesus cannot return as long as there is a single soul who is coming to Christ for salvation. How evil would it be for God to come a day before you were saved! Can you see where I am coming from?

Jesus will only return when the world has become so evil, like Sodom and Gomorrah was, that not a single person on Earth is coming to Christ anymore for salvation. And this is years and years away, probably decades and maybe centuries.

For hundreds and hundreds of years, fanatical misled people have been shouting, "the time is close, Jesus is returning in our lifetime, he comes soon, the kingdom is near", but then Jesus did not return and all it achieved was driving people away from Christ and losing faith when they see Jesus never returned.

Stop being deceptive and fanatical, instead focus each day on helping those in need and share the Gospel with as many as you can, and be thankful that Jesus is not returning soon, because every single day, thousands of new people are added to the kingdom of God.

 

[Elijah674]

Avoid emotional and fanatical people who claim Jesus is coming "soon" and the kingdom is at hand etc. They are fanatical people and violate what Bible teaches that we are not to start setting dates etc.

Cults set dates and claim "Jesus is coming, Jesus is coming.. We are in the END TIMES!!!".

And many Cult members are deceived and misled by "END TIMES" messages that they sell up their homes, quit their jobs, and give their money away, and then when "END TIMES" don't occur, they lose faith in God and their children are made to suffer and have nowhere to live and no food to eat.

Jesus didn't even know when He was set to return, so no human on Earth has any idea either.

Jesus is not near to returning at all! It's a long way away and in the meantime Christians should live each day carrying their Crosses and helping the needy and sharing the Gospel.

Jesus is not near....there are still a lot of things to happen. Every day around the world there are thousands of people being born again and saved. If Jesus had have returned yesterday, that means thousands of people would have been denied the chance to be saved and go to heaven.

Jesus cannot return as long as there is a single soul who is coming to Christ for salvation. How evil would it be for God to come a day before you were saved! Can you see where I am coming from?

Jesus will only return when the world has become so evil, like Sodom and Gomorrah was, that not a single person on Earth is coming to Christ anymore for salvation. And this is years and years away, probably decades and maybe centuries.

For hundreds and hundreds of years, fanatical misled people have been shouting, "the time is close, Jesus is returning in our lifetime, he comes soon, the kingdom is near", but then Jesus did not return and all it achieved was driving people away from Christ and losing faith when they see Jesus never returned.

Stop being deceptive and fanatical, instead focus each day on helping those in need and share the Gospel with as many as you can, and be thankful that Jesus is not returning soon, because every single day, thousands of new people are added to the kingdom of God.

Interesting! Right out of Matt. 24!!

[48] But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; (hey, this above is even posted up! See Eccl. 12:13-14!)

[49] And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

(not partipating except by associating! See Rev. 18:4 and smite his fellow servants?? calling them fanatics, huh;) See Matt. 10:25!:waving)

[50] The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

[51] And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Very Sad!)

Note Luke 12:47-48!


--Elijah

 

[Nick]

Interesting! Right out of Matt. 24!!

[48] But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; (hey, this above is even posted up! See Eccl. 12:13-14!)

[49] And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

(not partipating except by associating! See Rev. 18:4 and smite his fellow servants?? calling them fanatics, huh;) See Matt. 10:25!:waving)

[50] The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

[51] And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Very Sad!)

Note Luke 12:47-48!


--Elijah

I agree with Elijah - we are to live like and expect Jesus to return at any moment. TruthSeeker, I agree that when He returns it will be when al who can be saved have been saved. But we have no idea when lthat will be, and as we are told, it will come like a thief in the night.

 

[Lehigh3]

we are to live like and expect Jesus to return at any moment.

I was just wondering Nick, who said or says that?

TruthSeeker, I agree that when He returns it will be when al who can be saved have been saved.

I was wondering about that too. Saved from what exactly. Isn't there a hell on earth too? The O.T. Jews certainly believed "hell" was in this life. They didn't believe in any "eternal" punishment.

But we have no idea when lthat will be, and as we are told, it will come like a thief in the night.

That sounds more like death itself. We will meet Christ in the air when we die, soon enough. Why can't we run the race optimistically?
And if He was to come like a thief in the night- that should be proof enough that you wouldn't be witnessing His return.
I think the 1st disciples knew to recognize the "signs" of His return as in Matt.24.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Interesting! Right out of Matt. 24!!

[48] But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; (hey, this above is even posted up! See Eccl. 12:13-14!)

[49] And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

(not partipating except by associating! See Rev. 18:4 and smite his fellow servants?? calling them fanatics, huh;) See Matt. 10:25!:waving)

[50] The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

[51] And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Very Sad!)

Note Luke 12:47-48!


--Elijah

Grossly taken out of context! According to your reasoning these "doom day cults" are OK by God and are doing the right thing!

Your reasoning is flawed and you have grossly misinterpreted those verses and taken them out of context!

 

[Nick]

I was just wondering Nick, who said or says that?
I was wondering about that too. Saved from what exactly. Isn't there a hell on earth too? The O.T. Jews certainly believed "hell" was in this life. They didn't believe in any "eternal" punishment.

That sounds more like death itself. We will meet Christ in the air when we die, soon enough. Why can't we run the race optimistically?
And if He was to come like a thief in the night- that should be proof enough that you wouldn't be witnessing His return.
I think the 1st disciples knew to recognize the "signs" of His return as in Matt.24.

Your two questions I will get back to you on.

About the thief in the night, I take it to mean that it won't be expected, so we are to be prepared. Repentance is being prepared.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

I agree with Elijah - we are to live like and expect Jesus to return at any moment. TruthSeeker, I agree that when He returns it will be when al who can be saved have been saved. But we have no idea when lthat will be, and as we are told, it will come like a thief in the night.

Matthew 24:42-44: "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."

It will be unexpected. The advent will take the world by surprise. His coming will burst upon this earth when people least expect it. They will be just as unprepared for it as they would for a midnight thief.

Jesus reinforced the point He was making in verse 50, "The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of."

Read it and weep! Your beliefs and teaching are contradicting Scripture!

These "end time cults" and "doom day cults" have done a lot of damage to God's work. And Jesus Himself said HE HAS NO IDEA when His returning..but that doesn't stop sinners going around saying, "Jesus is coming soon, His coming soon!!!"

Even the elect and redeemed will begin to doubt Jesus' return, that's how sinful and evil the world will become BEFORE Jesus returns! It's NOT NEAR, it's a long way away!

BUT BE SURE, Jesus will indeed RETURN, but not for a very very long time! Not until there are no more people coming to Christ for salvation, and the few redeemed will also doubt, but then like lightning, Jesus returns! But this is long into the future!!

 

[Lehigh3]

It will be unexpected. The advent will take the world by surprise. His coming will burst upon this earth when people least expect it. They will be just as unprepared for it as they would for a midnight thief.

Sorry, that's end-time madness too. It's a cult too.

What did Jesus tell the apostles in Matt.24:1-3 about the signs of His coming the end of the age ? The temple destroyed was a sign.All Matt.24-25 is audience relevant. It is all 1 discourse to the apostles & disciples THEN. Why would Jesus tell them to look for this or that & watch & pray? Common sense should tell you that it would have had no meaning to them if it wasn't till a distant future!

And that's bc it wasn't to a distant future that they were to look (like Daniel was told his prophecies were)

 

[Nick]

Matthew 24:42-44: "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."

It will be unexpected. The advent will take the world by surprise. His coming will burst upon this earth when people least expect it. They will be just as unprepared for it as they would for a midnight thief.

Jesus reinforced the point He was making in verse 50, "The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of."

Read it and weep! Your beliefs and teaching are contradicting Scripture!

These "end time cults" and "doom day cults" have done a lot of damage to God's work. And Jesus Himself said HE HAS NO IDEA when His returning..but that doesn't stop sinners going around saying, "Jesus is coming soon, His coming soon!!!"

Even the elect and redeemed will begin to doubt Jesus' return, that's how sinful and evil the world will become BEFORE Jesus returns! It's NOT NEAR, it's a long way away!

BUT BE SURE, Jesus will indeed RETURN, but not for a very very long time! Not until there are no more people coming to Christ for salvation, and the few redeemed will also doubt, but then like lightning, Jesus returns! But this is long into the future!!

I pretty much agree with what you just posted, so if my post contractied scripture, so does yours. All I seem to disagree with you on is that you believe i could be years from now, I believe it could be any time, although more likely years from now.

 

[Lehigh3]

Your two questions I will get back to you on.

About the thief in the night, I take it to mean that it won't be expected, so we are to be prepared. Repentance is being prepared.

Well, I think repentance is essential for salvation in this life too.
We already are "guaranteed" eternal life. I take that to mean life beyond the grave. Maybe that "eternal" is forever & ever, I don't know- could be- & hopefully it is glorious & for a longer time than our short & trying life on earth.

But the "thief" phrase is just an expression for those who are in darkness. It could very well apply to a judgment that was on Old Jerusalem for killing the prophets & saints, like Jesus said they did- & that all the blood from Abel to Zechariah would be on that generation.

 

[Nick]

Well, I think repentance is essential for salvation in this life too.
We already are "guaranteed" eternal life. I take that to mean life beyond the grave. Maybe that "eternal" is forever & ever, I don't know- could be- & hopefully it is glorious & for a longer time than our short & trying life on earth.

But the "thief" phrase is just an expression for those who are in darkness. It could very well apply to a judgment that was on Old Jerusalem for killing the prophets & saints, like Jesus said they did- & that all the blood from Abel to Zechariah would be on that generation.

yes, for those who are in darkness. But we still don't know when either. We are prepared, but we don't know when.

 

[n2thelight]

Matthew 24:42-44: "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."

It will be unexpected. The advent will take the world by surprise. His coming will burst upon this earth when people least expect it. They will be just as unprepared for it as they would for a midnight thief.

Jesus reinforced the point He was making in verse 50, "The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of."

Read it and weep! Your beliefs and teaching are contradicting Scripture!

These "end time cults" and "doom day cults" have done a lot of damage to God's work. And Jesus Himself said HE HAS NO IDEA when His returning..but that doesn't stop sinners going around saying, "Jesus is coming soon, His coming soon!!!"

Even the elect and redeemed will begin to doubt Jesus' return, that's how sinful and evil the world will become BEFORE Jesus returns! It's NOT NEAR, it's a long way away!

BUT BE SURE, Jesus will indeed RETURN, but not for a very very long time! Not until there are no more people coming to Christ for salvation, and the few redeemed will also doubt, but then like lightning, Jesus returns! But this is long into the future!!

It will only come as a thief on those who are in darkness......

I Thessalonians 5:3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

I Thessalonians 5:4 "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief."

Now at a time when you think not,will be a time when people think He is already here,pay attention to verse 3...

Daniel 8:25
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

This is that peace spoken of in verse 3 above....This will be when satan comes,pretending to be Christ

satan comes before Christ,pretending to be Christ and the whole world will believe him,as he shall bring peace to the world,this is why the world will not think Christ is coming,for they will believe He is already here

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Everything in the end is about deception,that's why it's the number one warning from Christ

Matthew 24:4
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Matthew 24:5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Ephesians 4:14
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

;2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

That man of sin is satan himself and he as the beast shall deceive the whole world

Revelation 13:14
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Again,it's all about deception and will you worship satan thinking that he is Christ........


While we don't know the day or hour,we are to know the season.......

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

Well, I think repentance is essential for salvation in this life too...

Define "repentance". Do you mean to turn from sin? Or do you have another definition for "repentance"?

Because if you teach that we must turn from sin to be saved, then you have just condemned 100% of the human race to damnation because nobody has successfully perfectly turned from all their sins and become perfectly sinless.

 

[TruthSeeker2012]

...Again,it's all about deception and will you worship satan thinking that he is Christ........
While we don't know the day or hour,we are to know the season.......

This verse clearly tells us who is lost and WHY they will be lost!

2 Thessalonians 2:10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

NOTE: The lost, all the lost from Earth's history, will be lost because they willfully rejected the truth, they didn't love the truth, they didn't embrace truth and they rejected Jesus as a result, because Jesus IS THE TRUTH, John 14:6.

 

[Stormcrow]

Well, while I agree we are not in the end times, you do know that to claim no one knows when the "end times" are then to assert we're not in them is a contradiction, right?

It's like meeting someone for the first time and saying, "You lost weight!"

How would you know if you can't know?

Just wanted to put that out there.

 

[Stormcrow]

"Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

Why would Christ tell His disciples to watch for something that He knew wouldn't happen in their lifetimes?

On the other hand, what if He told them it would?

 

[Lehigh3]

Define "repentance". Do you mean to turn from sin? Or do you have another definition for "repentance"?

Because if you teach that we must turn from sin to be saved, then you have just condemned 100% of the human race to damnation because nobody has successfully perfectly turned from all their sins and become perfectly sinless.

You should know what "repentance" means. Jesus said unless you repent, you too will perish. And salvation is ongoing. It's not just some oath we take once & then put out of our minds. If we have been trained to walk in the Spirit we know that the flesh is an enmity & is carnal living.
And I am not a fundamentalist like you may think with your accusations. I believe the "repentance" involves salvation in this life. And only a "good" person would have conscience enough to ask God for forgiveness. Providing they have the mental capacity to do so. God knows the difference- that is why He is judge. Now, in this life & salvation & later, when we are transformed to heaven.

The condemnation (judgment) you refer to is post-mortem & do not believe that hell is endless-for God is an all-consuming fire. There may even be a purgatory. That is something Catholics believe mostly, but I don't rule it out. I have had direct visions in the Spirit regarding that & they could be interpretive as a temporary hell or a so-called purgatory.

 

[Elijah674]

Originally Posted by Elijah674
Interesting! Right out of Matt. 24!!

[48] But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; (hey, this above is even posted up! See Eccl. 12:13-14!)

[49] And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

(not partipating except by associating! See Rev. 18:4 and smite his fellow servants?? calling them fanatics, huh;) See Matt. 10:25!:waving)

[50] The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

[51] And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Very Sad!)

Note Luke 12:47-48!


--Elijah




I agree with Elijah - we are to live like and expect Jesus to return at any moment. TruthSeeker, I agree that when He returns it will be when al who can be saved have been saved. But we have no idea when lthat will be, and as we are told, it will come like a thief in the night.

And I agree with that we are not in darkness for the End to come upon us!

--Elijah here:
SO: Matt. 24 has us understanding the 14th verse, that 'then shall the End come'. And that Gospel will be FINISHED again worldwide, but this time it will be 'cut short in Righteousness' with 666 seen & understood by satalite viewing. (And with Acts 3:19'refreshing!)

And that Matt. 24:14 verse required a two/time repeat as documented in Eccl. 3:15 & by Paul in Rom. 10:17-18 + Col. 1:23's declaration.

And day + hour? This will only be known when Joel 3:13-17 is upon us. Verse16 says 'and utter His voice'.
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[Lehigh3]

This verse clearly tells us who is lost and WHY they will be lost!

2 Thessalonians 2:10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

NOTE: The lost, all the lost from Earth's history, will be lost because they willfully rejected the truth, they didn't love the truth, they didn't embrace truth and they rejected Jesus as a result, because Jesus IS THE TRUTH, John 14:6.

Like I mentioned earlier- the "condemnation" you suggested previously is annihilation (a very popular belief with JWs I might add) & post-mortem.
In John 14:6, Jesus is speaking to the apostles & Jewish disciples about God's then only chosen ppl- The Jews! He goes on to tell the disciples that the Holy Spirit (Spirit of the Father & Son) will come & indwell them while He was away & until the "end of the (Mosaic) age."

I disagree that Christ doesn't eventually find all of His lost sheep also. And He was referring to "all Israel" too. God the Father is perfectly capable of giving "life" to the dead (post-mortem):
John 5:16- 30,
Honor the Father and the Son


16 For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath. 17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.â€
18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. 19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.Life and Judgment Are Through the Son


24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

So, is Jesus speaking about "judgment" on all mankind here, or was talking about judgment on Israel?

It seems that God judges & only condemns those who He deems as "evil."

 

[felix]

Actually, Jesus Christ is purposefully delaying His coming .

2Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning [His] promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Careful analysis by scholars of whether Jesus knows His coming reveals that the Greek word used in that verse refers to 'at that moment'. Hence, Jesus will surely know when He is coming.