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What are 'Gods [or Jesus'] commandments'? as spoken in Revelation; 22:14,15 ???

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they
may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the
city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and
whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a
lie.
See below for a few examples.

What does John say that they are in 1 John 3:22,23?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:12-13;%20John%2014:1,9-22;%20John%206:28-29,%201%20John%203:22-23;%20Revelation%2022:14-15&version=KJV
 
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What are 'Gods [or Jesus'] commandments'? as spoken in Revelation; 22:14,15 ???


See below for a few examples.

What does John say that they are in 1 John 3:22,23?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...John 3:22-23; Revelation 22:14-15&version=KJV

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. John 10:27

and again -


For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:14


Notice what this verse doesn't say -

As many as Keep the Law of Moses, are sons of God.

As many as keep the Sabbath, are sons of God.

As many as keep the feasts, are sons of God.


... because Abraham obeyed My Voice; and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."

The Lord spoke to Abraham and charged him with -

"Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. Genesis 12:1

Without leaving his country and his family and going to the land where The Lord would lead him there would be no -

I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." Genesis 12:2-3


Trying to keep the Laws of God without a relationship and trust and obedience is meaningless.


JLB
 
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. John 10:27

and again -


For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:14


Notice what this verse doesn't say -

As many as Keep the Law of Moses, are sons of God.

As many as keep the Sabbath, are sons of God.

As many as keep the feasts, are sons of God.


... because Abraham obeyed My Voice; and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."

The Lord spoke to Abraham and charged him with -

"Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. Genesis 12:1

Without leaving his country and his family and going to the land where The Lord would lead him there would be no -

I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." Genesis 12:2-3


Trying to keep the Laws of God without a relationship and trust and obedience is meaningless.


JLB

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind, and with all your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself, on this law hang all the laws
 
the "seal of God" is "144", and it means keeping of the first main 4-5 Holy Commandments of the faith

Revelation 14:1-5 "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads(i.e. thousands of those who keep the main part of His statute of (the) faith - "144"). And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song(i.e. and they testified a New Testament) before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women(i.e. these are those who do not do spiritual/religious iniquity); for they are virgins(i.e. for they are spiritually poor and heartily pure - see Matthew 5:3,8). These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.",

Revelation 21:16 "And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits(i.e. the first main 4-5 Holy Commandments of the faith viz. the main Holy statute of (the) faith), according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."

the 1st + the other 4 Commandments respectively are:

the first one:

Genesis 2:16-17 "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat(i.e. you are absolutely free to enjoy all (kinds of) consumptions which the true God has made for you): But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it(i.e. but you must not follow/practise (the) occultism, nor examine it): for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die(i.e. for in the day that you start (to) do it the vitiation will overtake you, because the work of (the) spiritual administration has not been made for you)",

the other four:

Exodus 20:1-11 "And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God(i.e. I Am the only true Lord God), which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt(i.e. out of the world of occultism and idolatry), out of the house of bondage(i.e. out of the bondage of the system of spiritual/religious iniquity).

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me(i.e. you must not have any god/lord except Those Ones Who really are the true God Father and the true Lord Jesus Christ).

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image(i.e. you must not invent any spiritual/religious knowledge), or any likeness(i.e. or any spiritual/religious practice) of(i.e. with/in reference to) any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water(i.e. in the occult) under the earth: Thou shalt not(i.e. and if there is already such found/invented by any human, then you must not) bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity(i.e. the spiritual/religious iniquity) of the fathers(i.e. of the initiators) upon the children(i.e. their proselytes/disciples) unto the third and fourth generation(i.e. unto its third and fourth extent/grade) of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain(i.e. you must not use the faith against the Will of the true Lord God); for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain(i.e. because He does not rate sinless that who use the faith for unclean/unrighteous/bad purpose(-s)).

4. Remember the sabbath day(i.e. remember the precarious situation of Creature/Creation while the true God is in state of millennial somnolence/drowse), to keep it(i.e. to keep the Creature/Creation) holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work(i.e. in principle you are absolutely free to do anything whereby there is no a causation of evil to any human): But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God(i.e. but while the true God is still in state of somnolence/drowse): in it thou shalt not do any work(i.e. you must not omit to keep/restore the: Peace, Purity, Sanctity, Good, Virtue, Benediction, and Welfare of all humans, which things God from the beginning laid to be for all of them), thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle(i.e. nor in your work(-s)), nor thy stranger that is within thy gates(i.e. that are in the faith): For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day(i.e. and He has fallen into a state of millennial somnolence/drowse from the seventh day on): wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day(i.e. the time during which He will be in that state), and hallowed it(viz. with a view to give the most perfect chance to the spiritual servants to sanctify the Creature/Creation while He is in state of millennial somnolence/drowse)."

the same Commandments are also shown in the New Testament:

the first two:

Mark 12:29-30 "The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel(i.e. o believers); The Lord our God is one Lord(i.e. there is a single true Lord God): And thou shalt love the Lord thy God(i.e. and you must entirely believe (in) Him as (in) a God/Lord) with all thy heart(i.e. with all your faith), and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength(i.e. and to let Him be all your strength): this is the first commandment.",

1 Corinthians 8:1-8 "Now as touching things(i.e. as regards the religious/spiritual things) offered unto(i.e. which are (a) service/ministry to/of) idols(i.e. spiritual/religious iniquities), we know that(i.e. usually the human tendency in this regard so far was that maybe) we all(i.e. all clerics/believers) have knowledge(i.e. spiritual knowledge and abilities). Knowledge puffeth up(viz. in the faith), but charity(i.e. but Love/Good(-ness)) edifieth(or: humbles). And if(i.e. and if in this regard) any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. But if any man love God(i.e. the true Lord God), the same is known of him. As concerning therefore the eating(i.e. the following/practicing) of those things(i.e. of those spiritual/religious things) that are offered in sacrifice unto idols(or: which are unrighteous), we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords(or: and christs) many,) But to us(i.e. but the setup is such that to all humans of whole this universe) there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Howbeit there is not in every man(i.e. howbeit there is not in every cleric/believer/worshipper) that knowledge(i.e. that conscience/understanding): for some(i.e. for some of them by reason of this) with conscience of the idol(or: by notion of spiritual iniquity) unto this hour eat it(i.e. unto this moment follow/practise the faith) as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak(i.e. thus becoming weak) is defiled. But meat(i.e. but the occultism/idolatry/knowledgeable faith) commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat(i.e. if we follow/practise it), are we the better; neither, if we eat not(i.e. if we do not follow/practise it), are we the worse.",

the third:

1 Corinthians 10:24-33 "Let no man(i.e. let no believer) seek his own, but every man another's wealth..... Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: Even as I please all men in all things(i.e. in all good things), not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many(i.e. of (the) others), that they may be saved."

the fourth:

1 Timothy 2:1-10 "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks(i.e. blessings), be made for all men(i.e. for all humans); For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty(i.e. in all goodness and earnestness). For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men(i.e. all humans/souls) to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth(i.e. and to become good/righteous). For there is one God, and one mediator(also: and one Lord) between God and men, the man(i.e. the ensouled being) Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not; ) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. I will therefore that men(i.e. that the male believers) pray every where, lifting up holy hands(i.e. entirely showing/manifesting love/goodness), without wrath(i.e. without hostility/aggression) and doubting(i.e. and dramatization/stir/intrigues/strife). In like manner also, that women(i.e. that female believers) adorn themselves in modest apparel(i.e. in humility), with shamefacedness(i.e. with meekness) and sobriety(i.e. and sedation/sanity); not with broided hair(i.e. not with pride), or gold(i.e. or vainglory), or pearls(i.e. or wisdom), or costly array(i.e. or elevation); But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.",

1 Timothy 4:1-11 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith(i.e. some may deviate from the right faith toward wrong), giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines(i.e. creeds) of devils; Speaking(i.e. preaching/testifying/prophesying) lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron(i.e. with strong satanic spirituality); Forbidding to marry(i.e. disconcerting and forbidding the sex life), and commanding to abstain from meats(i.e. from natural consumptions), which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving(i.e. which the true God has made/given to be used for good purposes) of them which believe and know the truth(i.e. of those who believe right(-ly) as well as of those who do not do spiritual/religious iniquity). For every creature(i.e. for each creation) of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving(i.e. if it is used for good purposes): For it is sanctified by the word of God(i.e. of the God's work) and prayer(i.e. and by the prayers of (the) true Saints). If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith(i.e. of right faith) and of good doctrine(i.e. and of the good creed), whereunto thou hast attained. But refuse profane and old wives' fables(i.e. but avoid the traditions of defiling and misleading creeds), and exercise thyself rather unto godliness(or: unto love/goodness). For bodily(or: for overweening/self-interested) exercise profiteth little: but godliness(or: love/goodness) is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe(i.e. that do not commit spiritual/religious iniquity). These things command and teach."

Blessings
 
What are 'Gods [or Jesus'] commandments'? as spoken in Revelation; 22:14,15 ???


See below for a few examples.

What does John say that they are in 1 John 3:22,23?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:12-13;%20John%2014:1,9-22;%20John%206:28-29,%201%20John%203:22-23;%20Revelation%2022:14-15&version=KJV
I guess that's for you to discover. Ask here and you will get many different ideas and thoughts. I'll just start you with this one, and see where it takes you.

Revelations 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
 
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your mind, and with all your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself, on this law hang all the laws

That's a great scripture, however I don't know of anyone who walks it out except Jesus.


My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. John 10:27

and again -


For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:14

... because Abraham obeyed My Voice; and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws."

The Lord spoke to Abraham and charged him with -

"Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. Genesis 12:1

Without leaving his country and his family and going to the land where The Lord would lead him there would be no -

I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." Genesis 12:2-3

Notice the second part of this scripture -

Revelations 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.


... their faith in Jesus.

This is what come from obeying His Voice, Faith!

Faith comes by hearing God speak to you!

Without faith it is impossible to please God!


JLB
 
That's a great scripture, however I don't know of anyone who walks it out except Jesus.



Notice the second part of this scripture -

Revelations 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.


... their faith in Jesus.

This is what come from obeying His Voice, Faith!

Faith comes by hearing God speak to you!

Without faith it is impossible to please God!


JLB

you are probably right, but Jesus commands us to be holy because He is Holy, he tells us many things that seem impossible but through God all things are possible
 
i have not read many of the post on this thread, so forgive me if I step on anyones converstaion? But the same John that wrote 1 John, also wrote the book of Rev. He described the Commandments of God, very clear words? Believe on His Son and love as He gave commandment. This is not the 10 commandments of moses this not an overthrowing of the gospel Paul preached. I think the Lord is right to assume that one would know the basic principles of the gospel, before they go into these other issues, such as the end of time etc..

Even if one would make the aurgument that this was speaking of the 10 commandmnents? ALL THE LAW IS FULFILLED IN ONE WORD-LOVE. so the most one could make of this scripture is that one keeps the law by love.

Either way, those who attempt to use this scripture to claim somehow we are yet under the law of moses, are in great error and are in conflict with clear and evident truth of Pauls gospel
 
you are probably right, but Jesus commands us to be holy because He is Holy, he tells us many things that seem impossible but through God all things are possible


But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets... Romans 3:21


JLB
 
That's a great scripture, however I don't know of anyone who walks it out except Jesus.



Notice the second part of this scripture -

Revelations 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.


... their faith in Jesus.

This is what come from obeying His Voice, Faith!

Faith comes by hearing God speak to you!

Without faith it is impossible to please God!


JLB

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
 
Hebrews 10:26-31

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," [ d ] and again, "The Lord will judge his people." [ e ] 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Pretty ominous warning for those who reject the Law of Moses. Just sayin, just sayin...
 
Hebrews 10:26-31

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," [ d ] and again, "The Lord will judge his people." [ e ] 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Pretty ominous warning for those who reject the Law of Moses. Just sayin, just sayin...
Not sure of your translation? but it is clear the whole issue of the book of Hebrews is a warning against those who are turning back to law and the "strength of sin" which is the law.
For law produces the desire to sin. The warning is to those who reject GRACE. read in context. Paul makes very clear, over and over that the law of sin and death 10 Commandments are not for the believer justified by faith in Christ. This is evident, so when some take random scripture and try to defeat the gospel Paul preached, they are in fact teaching a different gospel.
 
Not sure of your translation? but it is clear the whole issue of the book of Hebrews is a warning against those who are turning back to law and the "strength of sin" which is the law.
For law produces the desire to sin. The warning is to those who reject GRACE. read in context. Paul makes very clear, over and over that the law of sin and death 10 Commandments are not for the believer justified by faith in Christ. This is evident, so when some take random scripture and try to defeat the gospel Paul preached, they are in fact teaching a different gospel.

What would be the consequences for someone observing the law?
 
What would be the consequences for someone observing the law?
The most evident scripture tell us that "you are cut off from Christ and have fallen from grace" Gal 5:4 basically one is rejected salvation by faith, and become an enemy of the Cross.
 
The most evident scripture tell us that "you are cut off from Christ and have fallen from grace" Gal 5:4 basically one is rejected salvation by faith, and become an enemy of the Cross.
Oh dear that is terrible news. So is the law sin then?
 
Oh dear that is terrible news. So is the law sin then?
Well I did not write that the Apostle Paul did through the direction of Holy Spirit.
And of course the law is not sin, why would you ask that question? But the law produces sinful desires and is the strength of sin. That no man can be justified by the law is EVIDENT "clear as day" So why one would suggest that we are under the law of moses is a very good question also.
 
Well I did not write that the Apostle Paul did through the direction of Holy Spirit.
And of course the law is not sin, why would you ask that question? But the law produces sinful desires and is the strength of sin. That no man can be justified by the law is EVIDENT "clear as day" So why one would suggest that we are under the law of moses is a very good question also.
So can a believer, someone who is saved, follow the law without being cursed?
 
So can a believer, someone who is saved, follow the law without being cursed?
We can look to the law as a witness to Christ, and even use the law lawfully for its purpose? To show the sinful condition of the flesh and make all men guilty before God. As Paul taught that the law is to bring a man to Christ that he would be justified by faith. But after faith has come we are no longer under the law. So if one sees the law for its purpose and honors and upholds its standard by the acceptance of grace, then the law is an important witness to the truth of the gospel. But one attempts to be justified, BY ANY PART of the law, they are in fact under its curse.
 
We can look to the law as a witness to Christ, and even use the law lawfully for its purpose? To show the sinful condition of the flesh and make all men guilty before God. As Paul taught that the law is to bring a man to Christ that he would be justified by faith. But after faith has come we are no longer under the law. So if one sees the law for its purpose and honors and upholds its standard by the acceptance of grace, then the law is an important witness to the truth of the gospel. But one attempts to be justified, BY ANY PART of the law, they are in fact under its curse.
So someone who is unsaved or attempting to be justified by following the law apart from faith is under the curse of the law? Would a murderer who could care less about the law, also be under the same curse? Are they not already cut off from Christ irregardless of whether they are trying to be justified or not?

Which leads me to what you posted.


The most evident scripture tell us that "you are cut off from Christ and have fallen from grace" Gal 5:4 basically one is rejected salvation by faith, and become an enemy of the Cross.
I recall you believe that once someone has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, they cannot lose their salvation. Or is my memory terrible?
 
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