What happens when you don't understand Paul?

[AVBunyan]

If you ignore Paul:

1. You miss justification by faith.
2. You miss understanding about the resurrected Saviour.
3. You won’t know where you will spend eternity.
4. You will not know whether or not you will go into the tribulation or not.
5. You will not understand you position in Christ.
6. You will not how to scripturally study the scriptures.
7. You will miss the gospel.
8. You will have no understanding of baptism.
9. You will not know whether you are a Jew, Gentile, or the body of Christ.
10. You will no understand God’s eternal the purpose the church, which is his body.
11. You will not know what books are for you doctrinally.
12. You will not understand forgiveness.
13. You will take what is meant for Israel and apply it to you.
14. You will be confused on the gifts.
15. You will no know whether or no there really is a gap between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2.

Bottom line – you want understanding in all things – then….start with Paul.

2 Tim 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

God bless

 

[WordSwordsman]

I know lots of modern "Christians" reject Paul's teachings, but Peter endorsed him and put the skeptics in a bad light. 2 Peter 3:[15] "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; [16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

 

[JamesG]

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AVBunyan

I know one of these “red letter Bible†believers. He believes that Paul is the source of all of the divisions of Christianity because he advocated authoritative elders. He doesn’t believe Paul is lost, just that he is in the Bible as an example of the worst Christian ever. Interesting that Paul referred to himself in that same way. He believes that everyone should follow Jesus only especially as he is revealed in the Gospels and in Revelation. He advocates that everyone should memorize a Gospel as a solution to the problems in Christianity today.

WordSwordsman

Quoting Peter won’t help in this case because he denies him too as an example of the wishy washy believer who is constantly going this way and that as shown in the dialogue in Matthew 16 and the further example that Paul describes in Galatians 2.

JamesG

 

[glorydaz]

I wasn't aware anyone denied what Paul writes. I have seen those who ignore all but Paul.

 

[dan p]

I wasn't aware anyone denied what Paul writes. I have seen those who ignore all but Paul.

Hi glorydaz , and Covenant Thelogoian are not in agreement with Paul .

 

[glorydaz]

I wasn't aware anyone denied what Paul writes. I have seen those who ignore all but Paul.

Hi glorydaz , and Covenant Thelogoian are not in agreement with Paul .

Well, I guess I don't really care what other people think of Paul. ;) I do not believe he is the only one to put forth the message we need for salvation. He certainly made many aspects clearer and articulated them, but justification by faith was show to Abraham first and many others before Paul came on the scene. He shouldn't be ignored nor should he be exalted beyond measure. The failure to understand the writings of Paul is due to ignoring the Gospels, the book of Acts, the general epistles, but to presume that Paul’s epistles represent the final revelation of the Word of God is incorrect...all of scripture works together for our understanding. If anything, Jesus' words, alone would be what I'd prefer to be stuck on a desert island with.

 

[Cornelius]

I am always amazed that people think they can pick and choose which part of the Word of God is the Word of God . Without Paul we have no understanding of anything. Without Paul, the Word is incomplete.

It is one of the best strategies the enemy has launched against the church. He has robbed them of the knowledge of what the Word of God is, and turned them into helpless people, with no Rock to stand on.Today most Christians will be really confuse when asked "What is the Word of God" Most will first have to think. Then some will have a vague answer. Some will say the early church did not have the whole Bible so it cannot be the Word (Who says they did not share all the letters, like we pass on emails today? Of course they did. They were also just people and like today we share our knowledge )

The whole Word came to be over a period of time.During that time, God also provided living messengers that took not only parts of the written Word to them as it happened, but also they were taught the whole Word as God revealed it to Paul in person.

Today we have a perfect Word that can be tested in the original languages with mathematics. This has already been done and proven to be infallible.Indeed not one word can be taken away nor added in the original language, or else the mathematical pattern breaks down.

Christians need a SURE foundation which is the Word. Without it, we have no chance at all.

 

[WordSwordsman]

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WordSwordsman

Quoting Peter won’t help in this case because he denies him too as an example of the wishy washy believer who is constantly going this way and that as shown in the dialogue in Matthew 16 and the further example that Paul describes in Galatians 2.

Jesus, not Paul upbraided Peter in Mt 16, because Peter didn't have the revelation of Jesus' upcoming sacrifice. Jesus did commend him over the one revelation of Jesus as Christ. Peter had another flaw that carried over past Jesus' resurrection, accepting Gentiles as believers, then later thinking they needed to answer to Judaism since the twelve were Jews at first. Jesus had last instructed the original apostles to bypass the Gentiles. Matthew 10:5 "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:" That was a commandment from Jesus to those twelve. Jesus didn't correct that before departing, and Peter took it literally. It took a vision from God and one warning from Paul to correct his dogma. From then on Peter was a major authoritative apostle, harvesting the first Gentile believer. It took Paul to prove the Gentiles had access.
Peter's endorsement of Paul is the most significant of them all.

 

[chestertonrules]

If you ignore Paul:

1. You miss justification by faith.
2. You miss understanding about the resurrected Saviour.
3. You won’t know where you will spend eternity.
4. You will not know whether or not you will go into the tribulation or not.
5. You will not understand you position in Christ.
6. You will not how to scripturally study the scriptures.
7. You will miss the gospel.
8. You will have no understanding of baptism.
9. You will not know whether you are a Jew, Gentile, or the body of Christ.
10. You will no understand God’s eternal the purpose the church, which is his body.
11. You will not know what books are for you doctrinally.
12. You will not understand forgiveness.
13. You will take what is meant for Israel and apply it to you.
14. You will be confused on the gifts.
15. You will no know whether or no there really is a gap between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2.

Bottom line – you want understanding in all things – then….start with Paul.

2 Tim 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

God bless

Calvinism and Dispensationalism.

 

[stovebolts]

Please keep in mind that Paul had the entire Old Testament memorized verbatim and knew all of the Oral traditions and arguments of Hellel and Shamai. Saul was learned at the school of Hellel.

2 Peter 3:14-16 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for these things, give diligence that ye may be found in peace, without spot and blameless in his sight. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Something to consider when reading what Paul had to write. ;)

 

[logical bob]

Today we have a perfect Word that can be tested in the original languages with mathematics. This has already been done and proven to be infallible.Indeed not one word can be taken away nor added in the original language, or else the mathematical pattern breaks down.

That's an interesting idea. Could you say some more about it?

 

[Adullam]

Paul can be easily misunderstood due to the way he puts things. He compares a lot. It is dangerous to interpret Paul without seeing what others also have to say on any given matter. I find that many errors occur when people latch onto a turn of phrase that seems to justify a faulty doctrine. One should compare scripture with scripture. See what Jesus, Peter, James and even the Lord God Himself have to say on a matter. It is as wrong to idolize Paul above others as it is to devalue him.

 

[Drew]

I wasn't aware anyone denied what Paul writes. I have seen those who ignore all but Paul.

Hi glorydaz , and Covenant Thelogoian are not in agreement with Paul .

I am not sure what you mean by the term covenant theology. A strong and pervasive theme of covenant is present in much of Paul's writing. The notion of covenant is deeply woven into the book of Romans, for example.

 

[Cornelius]

Today we have a perfect Word that can be tested in the original languages with mathematics. This has already been done and proven to be infallible.Indeed not one word can be taken away nor added in the original language, or else the mathematical pattern breaks down.

That's an interesting idea. Could you say some more about it?

You can read all about it at this link. Its a bit much for me to explain in one post

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org//?page=science

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.or ... _records=1

 

[logical bob]

Thanks Cornelius, that was certainly an interesting read.

Using the same methods, here's a demonstration that The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe is also infallible and inspired.

 

[dan p]

I wasn't aware anyone denied what Paul writes. I have seen those who ignore all but Paul.

Hi glorydaz , and Covenant Thelogoian are not in agreement with Paul .

I am not sure what you mean by the term covenant theology. A strong and pervasive theme of covenant is present in much of Paul's writing. The notion of covenant is deeply woven into the book of Romans, for example.

Hi Drew , and there a lot of different views within Covenant Theology and so-called Acts 2 , believers .

Like I say , NOT all hold to what I will write .

#1 , That the gospel of Grace began in the Garden .
#2 , That there a Covenant of Works , given to Adam .
#3 , Since Adam fell , he was given a Covenant of Grace .
#4 , That there is ONLY one gospel .
#5 , All are saved the same way , since the beginning .
#6 , Most are A-millennial
#7 , Most are Post-tribulational .
#8 , That the 12 apostles are part of the Body of Christ .
#9 , That the Church is the Bride of Christ .
#10 , That the church began at Pentecost , just to mention a few and there are more , dan p
#11 , Most believe that Paul TAUGHT the same thing as the 12 ? not so .