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Wanting to start a thread about what i see in Scripture concerning marriage...

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I am politely asking we keep this to Scripture ideals not running off about state law, divorce, all the what ifs, etc.

My thoughts of the pictures i see, will be from the female side DUH... I am fully interested in the male side.


Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

I do not read where God spoke to Eve about not eating the "apple" My take is Adam was to take on that responsibility.. Adam failed as her covering. She showed him the 'apple 'he said "looks good to me" :thud

So out of the garden they go hearing this

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

I get the picture life was not easy.. There were no tractors no kitchen gadgets etc... Together they endured the loss of a child . In the most painful way, of one you love hurting/killing one you love..

To me this is the bases of marriage I will move on in another post
 
Time passed and we come to Abraham & Sarah.. The Scriptures are clear Sarah is our example...

1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
1Pe 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
1Pe 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Would i like to say/believe the Scriptures show a white picket fence rose covered cottage picture of marriage . YES, i would ,but they do not.

Daily life for Sarah was not breeze of running off to Starbucks for coffee chat.. We know she had servants today we have those household machines to do most the heavy work..
Not painting a picture of barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen .. although seems to me ... back then children were considered blessing when todoay they are something to be protected from.
Sarah struggled with her faith.. she laughed at God's messenger ... She did hold on ... She sinned IMO big time when she doubted , looking at her self barren. She like Eve brought the temptation to her husband... he like Adam said "Looks good to me" Shallow dude.. What torment Sarah caused her self with her doubt of the Lord ... Yet we are told of here strength... I can feel the pain of watching her sin, watching Abraham and Haggar laugh at the antics of a toddler. We moms know how deep the emotions are when we see the kids and dads enjoying each other ... No Biblical marriage is not rose peddles and chocolate.

More on Sarah & Abraham as the desert sands blow..
 
Great study thus far on a very sensitive subject. When I try to teach the Biblical Standard for Marriage it seems as though everyone in a Church and on the Web is more Holy than I am and they assure that the Marriages, recorded in the Old Testament, of Issac and of Jacob do not show us God's Standard for a marriage and that they were never married to the ladies they coupled with in the Drive In in the Back Seat of their cars.

People and ye, people in the pews and the Pulpit look on marriage as No Important Thing. They appear to believe as Adam did, that they are not responsible for anything they or their Spouses do nor have done and the Marriage YHWH recognizes has a piece of paper proclaiming it and some add the requirement of the Marriage must have taken place in an Approved Church.

As a people we want Our Ways to be the rule YHWH operates under, we are no different than the Jews of old and we, in our lusts and pride cannot see beyond our arms reach.
 
Gen 12:12 Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see thee, that they shall say, This is his wife: and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive.
Gen 12:13 Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
Gen 12:14 And it came to pass, that, when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians beheld the woman that she was very fair.
Gen 12:15 The princes also of Pharaoh saw her, and commended her before Pharaoh: and the woman was taken into Pharaoh's house.
Gen 12:16 And he entreated Abram well for her sake: and he had sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels.
Gen 12:17 And the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife.
Gen 12:18 And Pharaoh called Abram, and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
Gen 12:19 Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.
Gen 12:20 And Pharaoh commanded his men concerning him: and they sent him away, and his wife, and all that he had.

Sarah put up with a lot... She obeyed knowing the idea was to send her to 'wife' the Pharaoh...

1Pe 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.
IF we all could only grasp the faith that they both had.. even though we see their failings the mercy and grace came through..
We see forgiveness in this marriage we see trust we see adultery we see forgiveness .

Marriage is a union that should be held sacred . Easy breesey no way...
We see here the wife being obedient to a not so good guy at this time.. I do not see Abraham trusting the Lord at this time. All this to produce the heir

Before anyone gets any idea to the contrary... God speaks of a Christian/Godly woman like this..

Pro 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
Pro 31:12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
Pro 31:13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
Pro 31:14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
Pro 31:15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
Pro 31:16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
Pro 31:17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
Pro 31:18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
Pro 31:19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
Pro 31:20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
Pro 31:22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
Pro 31:23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
Pro 31:24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
Pro 31:25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
Pro 31:26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
Pro 31:27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
Pro 31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
Pro 31:29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
Pro 31:30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
Pro 31:31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.
 
Wanting to start a thread about what i see in Scripture concerning marriage...

Noting the TOS 2.6: A member may not impose additional rules upon threads by claiming on/off topic or by other means. Moderators will enforce only the rules as included in the ToS and are not obligated to enforce regulations promoted by a member.
I am politely asking we keep this to Scripture ideals not running off about state law, divorce, all the what ifs, etc.

My thoughts of the pictures i see, will be from the female side DUH... I am fully interested in the male side.


Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

I do not read where God spoke to Eve about not eating the "apple" My take is Adam was to take on that responsibility.. Adam failed as her covering. She showed him the 'apple 'he said "looks good to me" :thud

So out of the garden they go hearing this

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

I get the picture life was not easy.. There were no tractors no kitchen gadgets etc... Together they endured the loss of a child . In the most painful way, of one you love hurting/killing one you love..

To me this is the bases of marriage I will move on in another post

hello reba, dirtfarmer here

There are some things to consider in your first post. God never intended for man to be alone, because God said in Genesis 1:18, " It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him as help meet." He then proceeded to create the beast of the field and fowl of the air, Adam named them but they was no helpmeet for Adam.

We must look at the making of the woman. She was not taken from his head to rule over man, nor was she taken from his feet to be his servant. She was taken from his side. A mirrored image of Adam. What Adam lacked she supplied. Mirrored images are the exact same as that which they reflect, but are different in that they are completely opposites when stood side by side. The right side of one becomes the left side of the other. So mirrored images complete one another.

In Genesis 1:29 it is stated, "And God said, behold I have given every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." Eve was correct in Genesis 3:6 when she saw that "the tree was good for food". But, the serpent got her to question God. "was it a tree that was good for food? " Yes, it was a food tree; the thing about the tree was that God had forbidden them to eat of it. Not only was it good for food but it was a beautiful tree( pleasant to the eyes), and it made one wise.

As to Adams failure to instruct Eve, it is my belief that Adams failure was that he added to God's word. In verse 3 we find that Eve said, in addition to God's instruction; "neither shall ye touch it". Did Adam add to God's instruction? I believe he did.
We are told that Eve was deceived, but it was Adam that sinned wilfully, with his eyes open. He heard direct from God not to eat of that one tree, but Eve only had the revelation that Adam had given her: "Don't eat nor even touch it." He, Adam added to God's word.


Authority over the woman was given to Adam at this time, not when they were created by God. It is now man's responsibility to protect and save her from danger. Man was never given the authority to make the woman a servant.

I will read and then discuss your second post at a later time.
 
Way to often we have in out minds the living happily ever after story ... So far we have seen marriage as daily living, not some Hollywood tail..
The vows of marriage were respected by Pharaoh when he could have said off with his head.
AS for Proverbs 31. and speaking to dirtfarmer. a beat down woman will not could not archive that place

As to Adams failure to instruct Eve, it is my belief that Adams failure was that he added to God's word. In verse 3 we find that Eve said, in addition to God's instruction; "neither shall ye touch it". Did Adam add to God's instruction? I believe he did.
We are told that Eve was deceived, but it was Adam that sinned wilfully, with his eyes open. He heard direct from God not to eat of that one tree, but Eve only had the revelation that Adam had given her: "Don't eat nor even touch it." He, Adam added to God's word.
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Gods' grand design was for man to take care of the earth and have dominion over all living things. God did not want man to be alone so He created a helpmate and she was called woman. The two were to multiply and replenish the earth with more helpers to till the land and help take care of Gods creation, Genesis 1, 2.

Gods will for woman was to be a helpmate to the man in every way, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, socially and physically. She was also created to bare the generations to come. A woman was not greater or less than the man, but was his equal.

Genesis 2:23-25 explains the bond of marriage. The two are united as one in the eyes of God. Ephesians 5:22-29 wives are to submit to their husbands as unto the Lord for the husband is the spiritual head of the wife. Man is the provider and protector of his family. Husbands, you are to love your wives like Christ loves his church. This is an unconditional love that looks on the inside of a person and not the adorning of the outside. It is a love with a pure heart.

This submission also carries over to the bed that neither should deprive one another unless it is a mutual consent, 1 Corinthians 7:5 the principles for the married believer are explained in 1 Corinthians 7:10-16. As long as there is love and faithfulness the two should never depart from each other nor stray away for lust of the flesh.
 
Here is the intro to a story of what happens when we disobey God in such matters ...Good ol Samson was a mighty man he played with sin ...

Jdg 14:1 And Samson went down to Timnath, and saw a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines.
Jdg 14:2 And he came up, and told his father and his mother, and said, I have seen a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines: now therefore get her for me to wife.
Jdg 14:3 Then his father and his mother said unto him, Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said unto his father, Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well.
 
Here is the intro to a story of what happens when we disobey God in such matters ...Good ol Samson was a mighty man he played with sin ...

Jdg 14:1 And Samson went down to Timnath, and saw a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines.
Jdg 14:2 And he came up, and told his father and his mother, and said, I have seen a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines: now therefore get her for me to wife.
Jdg 14:3 Then his father and his mother said unto him, Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said unto his father, Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well.

And then he got a haircut :eek2 :sorry2x couldn't resist. Point is not everything that is pleasing to the eye is not good for us.
 
Any thoughts on Ruth as it relates to marriage ...
i like how widowed ruth could have returned to her moabite parents after her 1st jewish husband died

but she loved the God of israel and chose to follow widowed naomi to israel

there she worked to provide for her mother-in-law and herself

naomi instructed her how to approach boaz to petition him to take the nearest of kin right

naomi - ruth - and boaz were all godly people and a wonderful marriage resulted as all 3 trusted God and followed His instructions concerning marriage - an encouragement for us to do likewise
 
dirtfarmer here

Ruth's great grandson was David the king. Ruth was a Moabite. According to Deuteronomy 23:3, no Ammonite or Moabite was to be able to enter into the congregation of the LORD, but Ruth was allowed to become an important part in the genealogy of king David and become part of the congregation of the LORD.

Ruth is an example of Romans 8:28, " And we know that all things work for good to them that love the God, to them who are called according to his purpose." How much had Ruth learned from Naomi? Even when times are going from bad to worse, we still need to believe that God's plan for our life will bring forth good and that God is near. Here was Ruth doing the work of a pheasant or the poor, but God provided and used her in a mighty way as a testimony to his goodness.

We, the Church, are the body and the espoused to Christ and soon to be his bride.
 
Through Marriage Esther save her people...
We can see so much grace and mercy when we look at King David .. He has no more grace/mercy then we do..

Scripture does not paint marriage as Hollywood does .. Hollywood (used as a generic term) has given us a false picture of married life .. The fairy tails and living happily after is a sham... There is no Dick Van Dyke... in reality...
To me Scripture paints marriage as some to share the good and sad times .. the joys and deep sorrows ... failings and triumphs ... We Christians have a triangular marriage . We have Christ at the top ... which keeps our base strong
What can we do to make our marriages stronger. What can we do that will show the world God has a better way..Teach our children the Word ... Teach His ways and laws. Teach his grace and mercy often by example.

Some of our spouses are not believers ... With out our King i could not make it one day. ...

see ya tomorrow
 
What can we do to make our marriages stronger. What can we do that will show the world God has a better way..Teach our children the Word ... Teach His ways and laws. Teach his grace and mercy often by example.

I won't go into detail but about 10 years ago I had biblical reasons to divorce my husband. I chose not to do that. Honestly, the first 16 or so years of our marriage were horrible. I mean, horrible to the point where I thought about leaving or tossing him out on more than one occasion. The final event scared him to death. He said that he felt God speak to him about what he was doing and how he was acting. I'm not saying I was 100% innocent, because honestly there are time I don't like living with me. BUT...these things were on him, involving alcohol abuse and violence.

Well, God got hold of him (finally!) and the last 3-4 years have been fantastic. The bottom line is that God is NOT behind the strife and the fights and the other things and when you finally let go and let God drive the ship, that's when your marriage will be the best it can be. I would encourage couples to stay the course, get CHRISTIAN help when needed and have mentors who aren't afraid to lay it all out with you. We have been blessed with a mentor couple at our church and hopefully will be able to mentor younger couples soon.
 
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