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What Will The Great Tribulation Be Like?

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Firstly, I'll not debate those who think there is no specific "great tribulation" prophesied for the end of days just prior to Christ's return. God's Word gives ample evidence of a time of trouble upon the earth for the end that has never been the likes before, and never will be again (Dan.12:1; Matt.24; Mark 13; Luke 17; 21; etc.).

There's been all kinds of extra-Biblical books written, and sermons preached of gloom and doom about the great tribulation; lots of money made off it; fear sells. And a lot of it does not follow The Bible.

One of the images The Bible shows about the great tribulation is often missed. Our Lord Jesus showed us about a time of peace on the earth just prior to His return. In Mark 13:6 He said when we hear of wars and rumours of war, to not be troubled, but the end is not yet. How many times have you heard just the "wars and rumours of wars" phrase quoted without the rest of the verse? It's easy to throw that phrase out about wars and then go off on a tangent about world war three and Armageddon like Hal LIndsay's book The Late Great Planet Earth, never completing the full Message our Lord Jesus gave there in Mark 13:6.

Wars and rumours of wars going on, don't be troubled because the end is not yet. That's simple, as long as we hear about wars and rumours of wars, the end is not yet. But what's the opposite of that wars and rumours of wars? A time of peace. So our Lord Jesus was giving us some clues there about the time of great tribulation. It's going to happen with a time of peace on the earth when all wars and rumours of war have ended.

Apostle Paul gives another witness to that when he mentioned a time of "Peace and safety" the deceived will be proclaiming (1 Thess.5). That's just the opposite of world war three now isn't it? That's just the opposite idea of people going around literally killing and destroying each other during the tribulation. Rev.13:4 also gives a type of witness to that time of peace when asking who is able to make war with the beast?

Let's see, a time when all wars have ended, a time many will proclaim peace and safety, a time when none will be able to make war with the beast kingdom. That's showing a government system over all nations, and in control of all military power. That's an idea founders behind the United Nations have been preaching for decades. It's a pointer to one-world government over all nations and peoples on earth.

What peace-loving peoples would not want a time of peace and safety on earth? Isn't that also a condition Christ is to fulfill on earth when He returns to rule with His elect kings and priests? Yes. But as God is our Rock and there also exists a fake "rock", the Peace and safety for the tribulation timing won't be comparable to Christ's future Peace. There's a fake peace by the devil trying to play God, and then there's a real Peace by Christ. The fake peace happens first, and then the real Peace after Christ's return. Being deceived or not being deceived in the end also hinges on recognizing both times.

The "great tribulation" will affect Christians two ways.
1) deceived Christian brethren will wrongly accept a false messiah that comes first, thinking he is our Lord Jesus. That's the real falling away Paul was talking about in 2 Thess.2, the "strong delusion". That's what it is to be drunk in the night with those who will be proclaiming "Peace and safety". That time is the "hour of temptation" our Lord Jesus pointed to with His Message to the Church of Philadelphia (Rev.3). The deceived will fall away to that temptation by false messiah working wonders and miracles on earth to cause them to believe our Lord Jesus returned. For the deceived, that deception will be their tribulation, for when Christ returns He will say to those who worshipped another in His place, "I never knew you: depart from Me" (Matt.7; Matt.25).

Per Rev.9, it's the deceived not sealed with God's seal who are subject to the 'stinging' by the locust army for a five month period. The locusts are told not to kill them, but that they can only sting them. That stinging is about deception to the false messiah, for the power of the locust army is from their mouths.

2) for those sealed with God's seal, Rev.9 does not specifiy the locust army can't kill them. Per Mark 13 we know many of those sealed will be delivered up to give a Testimony by The Holy Spirit against Christ's enemies. Some of these will be killed, as our Lord's Message of the 5th seal shows. These will not be subject to the "hour of temptation" by not falling away to the deception of the strong delusion. In Matthew 10, our Lord Jesus those one's own household would be their foes (quoted from Micah 7 about the tribulation). It points to deceived family and friends turning these sealed saints in for refusing to bow to the false messiah, for the deceived will think and believe that false messiah is our Lord Jesus having returned. False messiah will seek these sealed saints out; many will be imprisoned, some put to death. Thus the real persecution of the tribulation will only be upon those sealed by God.
 
i partially agree with you vet, but can you tell me how this fits in?

Rev 6:3 ¶ And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.


Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse [that was] red: and [power] was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
 
The four horsemen.

Rev 6;8
And I looked and behold a pale horse;and his name that sat on him was death,and hell followed with him.And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,to kill with sword,and with hunger,and with death,and with the beasts of the earth.

Im glad I dont live in the fourth part of the earth.
There just seems to be nothing but conflict there these days.
I do have a nephew who lost half a leg in the fighting .
 
The best resource for truth about what will occur during the Trib, ect... is Mike Bickle's study entitled ''Omega Course''
 
GodspromisesRyes said:
i partially agree with you vet, but can you tell me how this fits in?

Rev 6:3 ¶ And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.


Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse [that was] red: and [power] was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

The second seal is not tribulation timing, for it's about a war horse. Recall what our Lord said about wars and rumours of wars. Look at the 5th seal, for that's definite tribulation timing, with saints being killed for their Testimony for Christ.

The third seal is comparable to what's going on today. It's about the balances of commerce, world economy trying to balance the wealth of all nations in order to go into a one world government. It's only when that one world government beast kingdom is complete that all wars will have ended.

The fourth seal is about Mr. "Death", that word being given as a proper name. Who would that be? Who has been given the power of death per Heb.2:14? That's why hell follows with him. That's the locust army working of Rev.9, and the dragon being cast down to the earth with his angels per Rev.12:7-9.
 
Hello veteran,

It is the following verse which gives me the impression that the GT is going to be worse for the Christians than it was for the Jews in Nazi holocaust.

Matthew 24: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Concerning the third seal:

Revelation 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

I did a study on this seal and found that the measures on the wheat and barley are equivalent to one days worth of calories necessary to sustain life for one person. Also, the two pennies represented a days wages. So, in effect the passage was saying that it would take an entire day's worth of wages to purchase enough food to sustain one person for one day. (I agree that this seal starts before the start of the GT. However, I believe that the grip that the AC government will have by controling the food will continue into the GT.)

How can this be implemented, one might ask? The rich will always have money to circumvent this seal. And you would be right under past circumstances. But let's say, that a worldwide famine (real or created by the government) strikes the world, forcing the government to step up to the plate and begin rationing food. Everybody would get coupons valued at one day's worth of calories regardless of your financial abilities.

For discussion sake, let's say that 2000 calories a day is the necessary number of calories one needs to sustain themselves as established by the FDA. With the coupon you could buy Mcdonalds or Burgerking. You could by a steak and vegetables at the grocers. You could buy what every you wanted but no more than 2000 calories a day and computers would keep track of your daily consumption.

So, what is the significance you might say. There are some "Christians" which think that they will survive the GT because they will coax a friend or family member (which will take the mark-of-the-beast) into hiding them and buy food for them (because they will not be able buy or sell without the mark) just as some Germans hid and fed Jews in Nazi Germany. This will be possible to a point. However, if it takes 2000 calories a day to maintane one person and you are only allotted 2000 calories a day, how long do you think a philantropist will share their meal ticket? (You might not want to agree with me on this, however, if I can theorize this, the AC's advisors can figure this one out too.)

Guy
 
guysmith said:
Hello veteran,

It is the following verse which gives me the impression that the GT is going to be worse for the Christians than it was for the Jews in Nazi holocaust.

Matthew 24: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Concerning the third seal:

Revelation 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

I did a study on this seal and found that the measures on the wheat and barley are equivalent to one days worth of calories necessary to sustain life for one person. Also, the two pennies represented a days wages. So, in effect the passage was saying that it would take an entire day's worth of wages to purchase enough food to sustain one person for one day. (I agree that this seal starts before the start of the GT. However, I believe that the grip that the AC government will have by controling the food will continue into the GT.)

How can this be implemented, one might ask? The rich will always have money to circumvent this seal. And you would be right under past circumstances. But let's say, that a worldwide famine (real or created by the government) strikes the world, forcing the government to step up to the plate and begin rationing food. Everybody would get coupons valued at one day's worth of calories regardless of your financial abilities.

For discussion sake, let's say that 2000 calories a day is the necessary number of calories one needs to sustain themselves as established by the FDA. With the coupon you could buy Mcdonalds or Burgerking. You could by a steak and vegetables at the grocers. You could buy what every you wanted but no more than 2000 calories a day and computers would keep track of your daily consumption.

So, what is the significance you might say. There are some "Christians" which think that they will survive the GT because they will coax a friend or family member (which will take the mark-of-the-beast) into hiding them and buy food for them (because they will not be able buy or sell without the mark) just as some Germans hid and fed Jews in Nazi Germany. This will be possible to a point. However, if it takes 2000 calories a day to maintane one person and you are only allotted 2000 calories a day, how long do you think a philantropist will share their meal ticket? (You might not want to agree with me on this, however, if I can theorize this, the AC's advisors can figure this one out too.)

Guy


I think the model for the tribulation will be similar to Daniel's days. God took care of His people Judah when they went into captivity to Babylon. It was when the false prophets had king Nebuchadnezzar setup a golden idol image of himself for all to bow down in worship to that Daniel's trials came. Daniel refused the king's wine and the king's meat, and drank water and ate pulse (veggies) instead. At the end of three years, Daniel was to stand before the king of Babylon.
 
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