where are you going to if there is nothing there

[Shekinahglory]

18 “And I, because of what they have planned and done, am about to come[a] and gather the people of all nations and languages, and they will come and see my glory. we need to have Scripture establish for us when these things take place and as with all the Millennial teachings they take place after apostate Jerusalem has been purified having the last of the dross burned off. Then the Gentile nations are commanded to come up year after year to celebrate the Festival of Succoth. For those of us who believe in a literal Millennial Reign of Christ in His Millennial Temple there is no problem. For those who believe there is no literal temple that the survivors of the Gentile nations are called to come to year after year they have to explain why these offerings are coming up to the mount of the Lord with their offerings year after year.


19 “I will set a sign among them, and I will send some of those who survive to the nations—to Tarshish, to the Libyans[b] and Lydians (famous as archers), to Tubal and Greece, and to the distant islands that have not heard of my fame or seen my glory. They will proclaim my glory among the nations. 20 And they will bring all your people, from all the nations, to my holy mountain in Jerusalem as an offering to the Lord—on horses, in chariots and wagons, and on mules and camels,” says the Lord. “They will bring them, as the Israelites bring their grain offerings, to the temple of the Lord in ceremonially clean vessels. 21 And I will select some of them also to be priests and Levites,” says the Lord. Here again the Lord calls for the Great Commission to be taken to the Gentile nations. This is one of the reasons the Gentile nations have been called to the Millennial Temple it will be where they are equipped to take that Good News to the surviving Gentiles. Bring them to the Temple Mount but those who teach the Millennial Temple is a misreading and understanding on my part I just can't see these offerings brought to a homeless God who kind of just hangs out on the temple mount for a thousand years as Israel brings grain offerings and the Gentiles bring those Gentiles yet to hear the Good News.


22 “As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord. 24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.” Is. 66 The Gentiles brought up to see and Learn of the Lord will be see the dead bodies of those who rebelled against the Lord during the Day of the Lord known as The Time of Jacob's Trouble. The dead are not from the Day of the Lord that is known as The Great and Terrible Day of the Lord. The latter day of the Lord takes place when if it had not been shortened no one would have survived and takes place 1,000 years after the Day of the Lord has taken place with the return of the Lord. If the dead bodies strewn all around are not from the Last Week of Daniel's 70 Weeks then who are they, why are they on display year after year for the Gentiles to see, and who killed them?

From me to you: Happy and safe New Years to you all.

 

[jasonc]

I as a amil respond.

1.who,will,after the Return will actually be lost and have kids?
2.context ,the verses you,mention refer to,the Torah ,taken literally then grace as the church is taught now isn't.if you,are a murderer,gay,rapist ,pedophile ,offer to false Gods there isn't a sacrifice,you,must be circumcised.these applied to hebrews


3.what type of gospel will be taught?Moses or the one of Jesus
4.No,woman ,no uncircumcised male ,nor anyone who isn't a priest can see Jesus .
5.isn't that exactly what was undone by,the cross.the veil ripped in half .

 

[Shekinahglory]

I as a amil respond.

1.who,will,after the Return will actually be lost and have kids?
2.context ,the verses you,mention refer to,the Torah ,taken literally then grace as the church is taught now isn't.if you,are a murderer,gay,rapist ,pedophile ,offer to false Gods there isn't a sacrifice,you,must be circumcised.these applied to hebrews


3.what type of gospel will be taught?Moses or the one of Jesus
4.No,woman ,no uncircumcised male ,nor anyone who isn't a priest can see Jesus .
5.isn't that exactly what was undone by,the cross.the veil ripped in half .

1) The Gentile nations. People seem to forget the Lord said Judgment is first to the Jew then to the Gentiles. The Gentiles are not judged until the end of the 1,000 years. Are anti-Christ and the false prophet held in the Lake of Fire for an imaginary 1,000 years. At the same time is Satan not brought down from heaven in chains and placed into the same Abyss that held anti-Christ for a thousand years. Is Satan not released and set free to deceive the Gentile nations, defeated and cast into the Lake of Fire at the end of the 1,000 years. There iust quite a bit of Scripture that is little more than a spiritual dream sequence if these things do not take place. Compare the two Days of the Lord and you will see they are not the same day. One ends at the return of the Lord and the other had to be stopped or no flesh would have survived.

2) Obviously you are speaking of blood sacrifices. The Israelites spoken of in this passage are the faithful remnant who have become a nation of priests and serve the Lord in the Millennial Temple and the Gentiles who must come to that temple for Succoth. If this is not going to take place why does Scripture teach it will and that some Gentile nations will refuse to come and will have rain withheld from them? If these things do not happen after Israel's apostate portion has been judged when did they happen? 70 A.D.? Search as I can history I have found zero gentile nations coming to ever observe Tabernacles let alone all those nations. Oh yeah they also have to be the survivors of those nations who attacked apostate Jerusalem.

At this time only the dross from the nation of Israel has been removed. The Gentile nations have not gone through the judgment and therefore the dross is still part of the things taking place. The Law of sin and death, The Mosaic Covenant is still over unbelieving men and it will be used to judge them as it judged unbelieving Israel a thousand years earlier.

3) Moses had no Gospel. Moses was DO and live. Jesus Gospel DONE.

4) the Lord has been seen by who knows how many people who were these things and worse in His years in Israel. All Israel saw Him when He came to the Tabernacle to meet Moses. He even revealed Himself to one who came dangerously close to committing the unpardonable sin in Peter's three denials and the Lord specifically sought Peter to restore Him.

5) in what way, please

 

[jasonc]

1) The Gentile nations. People seem to forget the Lord said Judgment is first to the Jew then to the Gentiles. The Gentiles are not judged until the end of the 1,000 years. Are anti-Christ and the false prophet held in the Lake of Fire for an imaginary 1,000 years. At the same time is Satan not brought down from heaven in chains and placed into the same Abyss that held anti-Christ for a thousand years. Is Satan not released and set free to deceive the Gentile nations, defeated and cast into the Lake of Fire at the end of the 1,000 years. There iust quite a bit of Scripture that is little more than a spiritual dream sequence if these things do not take place. Compare the two Days of the Lord and you will see they are not the same day. One ends at the return of the Lord and the other had to be stopped or no flesh would have survived.

2) Obviously you are speaking of blood sacrifices. The Israelites spoken of in this passage are the faithful remnant who have become a nation of priests and serve the Lord in the Millennial Temple and the Gentiles who must come to that temple for Succoth. If this is not going to take place why does Scripture teach it will and that some Gentile nations will refuse to come and will have rain withheld from them? If these things do not happen after Israel's apostate portion has been judged when did they happen? 70 A.D.? Search as I can history I have found zero gentile nations coming to ever observe Tabernacles let alone all those nations. Oh yeah they also have to be the survivors of those nations who attacked apostate Jerusalem.

At this time only the dross from the nation of Israel has been removed. The Gentile nations have not gone through the judgment and therefore the dross is still part of the things taking place. The Law of sin and death, The Mosaic Covenant is still over unbelieving men and it will be used to judge them as it judged unbelieving Israel a thousand years earlier.

3) Moses had no Gospel. Moses was DO and live. Jesus Gospel DONE.

4) the Lord has been seen by who knows how many people who were these things and worse in His years in Israel. All Israel saw Him when He came to the Tabernacle to meet Moses. He even revealed Himself to one who came dangerously close to committing the unpardonable sin in Peter's three denials and the Lord specifically sought Peter to restore Him.

5) in what way, please

one I am jew. jews are specific. only the levites can be priests. of them only the children of Zadok can work inside the temple. they are to do what?

Jerusalem will every single gentile flying and boating and driving to Jerusalem to live in tents? the city and the land couldn't handle the entire world population of a few billion or a 100 million.

38 There was a chamber and its entrance by the gateposts of the gateway, where they washed the burnt offering. 39 In the vestibule of the gateway were two tables on this side and two tables on that side, on which to slay the burnt offering, the sin offering, and the trespass offering. 40 At the outer side of the vestibule, as one goes up to the entrance of the northern gateway, were two tables; and on the other side of the vestibule of the gateway were two tables. 41 Four tables were on this side and four tables on that side, by the side of the gateway, eight tables on which they slaughtered the sacrifices. 42 There were also four tables of hewn stone for the burnt offering, one cubit and a half long, one cubit and a half wide, and one cubit high; on these they laid the instruments with which they slaughtered the burnt offering and the sacrifice. 43 Inside were hooks, a handbreadth wide, fastened all around; and the flesh of the sacrifices was on the tables.

that's a vision by ezekiel 40:38

chapter 43

8 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.


19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.


20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.


21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.


22 And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock.


23 When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish.


24 And thou shalt offer them before the Lord, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the Lord.

9 Thus saith the Lord God; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.


10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.


11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.


12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord God, and they shall bear their iniquity.


13 And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.


14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.


15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord God:

Ezekiel 44. not stranger, no goy, no gentile, no female can be near the or inside the inner court. the early church ( I have read several early church fathers on this) all mention this book as the book where Jesus will reign from the temple. Justin believed john the apostle believed this way.

16 They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge.


17 And it shall come to pass, that when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within.


18 They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.


19 And when they go forth into the utter court, even into the utter court to the people, they shall put off their garments wherein they ministered, and lay them in the holy chambers, and they shall put on other garments; and they shall not sanctify the people with their garments.


20 Neither shall they shave their heads, nor suffer their locks to grow long; they shall only poll their heads.


21 Neither shall any priest drink wine, when they enter into the inner court.


22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before.


23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.


25 And they shall come at no dead person to defile themselves: but for father, or for mother, or for son, or for daughter, for brother, or for sister that hath had no husband, they may defile themselves.


26 And after he is cleansed, they shall reckon unto him seven days.


27 And in the day that he goeth into the sanctuary, unto the inner court, to minister in the sanctuary, he shall offer his sin offering, saith the Lord God.


28 And it shall be unto them for an inheritance: I am their inheritance: and ye shall give them no possession in Israel: I am their possession.


29 They shall eat the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering: and every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs.


30 And the first of all the firstfruits of all things, and every oblation of all, of every sort of your oblations, shall be the priest's: ye shall also give unto the priest the first of your dough, that he may cause the blessing to rest in thine house.


31 The priests shall not eat of any thing that is dead of itself, or torn, whether it be fowl or beast.

 

[jasonc]

45 Moreover, when ye shall divide by lot the land for inheritance, ye shall offer an oblation unto the Lord, an holy portion of the land: the length shall be the length of five and twenty thousand reeds, and the breadth shall be ten thousand. This shall be holy in all the borders thereof round about. 2 Of this there shall be for the sanctuary five hundred in length, with five hundred in breadth, square round about; and fifty cubits round about for the suburbs thereof. 3 And of this measure shalt thou measure the length of five and twenty thousand, and the breadth of ten thousand: and in it shall be the sanctuary and the most holy place. 4 The holy portion of the land shall be for the priests the ministers of the sanctuary, which shall come near to minister unto the Lord: and it shall be a place for their houses, and an holy place for the sanctuary. 5 And the five and twenty thousand of length, and the ten thousand of breadth shall also the Levites, the ministers of the house, have for themselves, for a possession for twenty chambers. 6 And ye shall appoint the possession of the city five thousand broad, and five and twenty thousand long, over against the oblation of the holy portion: it shall be for the whole house of Israel. 7 And a portion shall be for the prince on the one side and on the other side of the oblation of the holy portion, and of the possession of the city, before the oblation of the holy portion, and before the possession of the city, from the west side westward, and from the east side eastward: and the length shall be over against one of the portions, from the west border unto the east border. 8 In the land shall be his possession in Israel: and my princes shall no more oppress my people; and the rest of the land shall they give to the house of Israel according to their tribes. 9 Thus saith the Lord God; Let it suffice you, O princes of Israel: remove violence and spoil, and execute judgment and justice, take away your exactions from my people, saith the Lord God. 10 Ye shall have just balances, and a just ephah, and a just bath. 11 The ephah and the bath shall be of one measure, that the bath may contain the tenth part of an homer, and the ephah the tenth part of an homer: the measure thereof shall be after the homer. 12 And the shekel shall be twenty gerahs: twenty shekels, five and twenty shekels, fifteen shekels, shall be your maneh. 13 This is the oblation that ye shall offer; the sixth part of an ephah of an homer of wheat, and ye shall give the sixth part of an ephah of an homer of barley: 14 Concerning the ordinance of oil, the bath of oil, ye shall offer the tenth part of a bath out of the cor, which is an homer of ten baths; for ten baths are an homer: 15 And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord God. 16 All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel. 17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. 18 Thus saith the Lord God; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: 19 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. 20 And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. 21 In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten. 22 And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering. 23 And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the Lord, seven bullocks and seven rams without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid of the goats daily for a sin offering. 24 And he shall prepare a meat offering of an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and an hin of oil for an ephah. 25 In the seventh month, in the fifteenth day of the month, shall he do the like in the feast of the seven days, according to the sin offering, according to the burnt offering, and according to the meat offering, and according to the oil. King James Version (KJV) Public Domain

 

[jasonc]

I need the versus where the gentiles were part of the promise to isreal? did the 70 nations outside agree to the mosaic law? no.

only Isreal needed to because they were part of the exodus event and believed by trusting moses' words. they later on failed but they survived the events without judgment and left isreal with moses. a multitude of Gentiles followed and also having took blood over the lentil went with Moses, these too all died out. not one save Joshua and caleb of that time entered into the promised land.

and

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.


2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.


3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.


4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.


5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.


6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:


7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.


8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.


9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.


10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.


11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.


12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.


13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.


14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.


15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.


16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.


17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.


18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.


19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.


20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto The Lord; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.


21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

seems very specific you cant just piece meal and say that this is the beginning of the reign and then say that there isn't any sin offering when the words here imply sin offering. and the priest eat of the lamb. sounds very mosaic torah to me

 

[jasonc]

Isaiah 66 King James Version (KJV)

66 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?


2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.


3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.


4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.


5 Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.


6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.


7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.


8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.


9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.


10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:


11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.


12 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.


13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.


14 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the Lord shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.


15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.


16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.


17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.


18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.


19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.


20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.


21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord.


22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.


23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.


24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

you alleged this, do you also take that mention of shabbat literally and that we can ONLY worship God in Jerusalem, Paul stated that we the new Jerusalem from above is where we worship and Jesus said neither shall men worship in Jerusalem but in Spirit and in Truth, implying that one need not travel to a priest.
i really cant see Jesus coming back and judging men only simply restore isreal for another church. that is what you are arguing, well its not a church becayse only Jews are the priests and yet you seem to say grace didnt end? how is that possbile?

 

[Shekinahglory]

you alleged this, do you also take that mention of shabbat literally and that we can ONLY worship God in Jerusalem, Paul stated that we the new Jerusalem from above is where we worship and Jesus said neither shall men worship in Jerusalem but in Spirit and in Truth, implying that one need not travel to a priest.
i really cant see Jesus coming back and judging men only simply restore isreal for another church. that is what you are arguing, well its not a church becayse only Jews are the priests and yet you seem to say grace didnt end? how is that possbile?

you seem close to blowing a gasket if this iis going to devolve intol fit throwing let’s not do this.
I am not believer in the form of the Mosaic as given to Moses. As a matter of fact we are told if we reconstruct the wall of separation we are lawbreakers. The Mosaic Covenant makes us that builder of the wall. You copied Isaiah 66:18 and sent it to me but did you read verse 18 that the Lord is going to call all the Gentile nations to Jerusalem. Using your argument the Lord cannot do this. Should tell you what is impossible for men is possible with God. How He does not say. How big is the millennial temple? Take the measurement for the nonexistent temple and you will see it is bigger tan present day Jerusalem.

you quote Paul do you also quote Paul when He says Hagar is symbolic of the Mosaic Covenant and Ishmael those who remain under it or place themselves under will have no inheritance / when Paul says Sarah represents the Abrahamic Covenant and those under it as spiritually like Isaac who bears children who are the inheritants of that Good News through the only Seed of Abraham the Son of Abraham.

how do you understand Paul teaching that to be wed to the Law stops you being Wed to Christ. Keeps you from living for Christ? Ro. 7

 

[jasonc]

The,sight post word limit is 10000k words per post so I,broke it up.the majority of the early church were Jews..

A gentile reader then having no,knowkedge being greek or other wouldnt know what the law was.
The mosaic law ,included the things God already judged against

Sodomy ,adultery ,murder,idolatry ,rape,

Noah being a righteous man wasn't told to cirmcumise,nor was he to rest on the seventh day.

Since you aren't a Jew,isreal is a concept not a home to you .that's another thread and all,Jews i know that are saved have that sense that I have asked .

If isreal is a land forever that can't be a literal statement in thst in the last days eretx isreal after the prophecy like flood,I believe at the return ,is destroyed in that the entire creation itself is purged in fire.

 

[Shekinahglory]

one I am jew. jews are specific. only the levites can be priests. of them only the children of Zadok can work inside the temple. they are to do what?

Jerusalem will every single gentile flying and boating and driving to Jerusalem to live in tents? the city and the land couldn't handle the entire world population of a few billion or a 100 million.

Israel will be a nation of Priests led by a Great High from the Order of Melchezidek and they are only going to have from a line who was given the priesthood through a covenant no longer in effect? Not. Where are the genealogies for these priests to prove their lines. Only two genealogies still exist both belong to Christ,

Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 17And should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, the rain will not fall on them. Zec. 14 Zechariah misunderstand the prophecy he was raised up to bring this message? This message following on the heels of the faithful remnant being saved out of apostate Jerusalem? Seems like the Lord takes this coming for tabernacles pretty serious, no rain. Seems like that might cause a lot of Gentiles to come to Jerusalem.

 

[jasonc]

Israel will be a nation of Priests led by a Great High from the Order of Melchezidek and they are only going to have from a line who was given the priesthood through a covenant no longer in effect? Not. Where are the genealogies for these priests to prove their lines. Only two genealogies still exist both belong to Christ,

Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. 17And should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, the rain will not fall on them. Zec. 14 Zechariah misunderstand the prophecy he was raised up to bring this message? This message following on the heels of the faithful remnant being saved out of apostate Jerusalem? Seems like the Lord takes this coming for tabernacles pretty serious, no rain. Seems like that might cause a lot of Gentiles to come to Jerusalem.

The order of melchizedek.so those that on isreal who believed ,are just Jewish and no adopted Jews,yup my second cousin is that and more of those exist .raised in the temple.I doubt he in,my surname is the only one.

The priesthood of melchizedek is only for je sus .Mormons teach the two types.

You sound and are attesting to the idea of a church .the church has failed God,isreal has no promise not to fail Jesus.the gates of he'll win in your doctrine.

I don't see a literal way around that problem given how jesus mentions only a warming of being ready at the return and no second chance for survivors.

I,know my position has holes ,but neither can you ignore your holes in eschatology .

The priesthood of Jesus having atoned for all won't require any temple .

 

[Shekinahglory]

Since you aren't a Jew,isreal is a concept not a home to you .that's another thread and all,Jews i know that are saved have that sense that I have asked .

the wall of separation since you are a Jew and I am not you have special class. Except you said I am not a Jew I never said that. All those things are judged in the Law of the Kingdom for believers. Everyone else in this world who has not accepted Christ will be judged by that Law. Once the Mosaic covenant does what God designed it to do, all according to Paaul, it is ended. What then was the Law? it was to reveal sin, sentence the sinner to death, hold the sinner in a cell unable to produce fruit for Christ, if brought to Christ the Mosaic Covenant is at an end except for Judgment. If brought to Christ the Law as given on a different Mount, the Sermon on The Mount given by the one and only Lawgiver, Jesus Christ.

Zechariah 12 in the last days when the Evil Shepherd is present the Land is going to be split into a dual kingdom once again. See what is awaiting them. Isaiah chapters 1_5 apostate Israel when the Lord has returned in splendor what condition are they in?

 

[jasonc]

Never mind the enemies of the Jews would attack any new anywhere.meaning in order for the millennial to be all of my family to be counted saved must be in isreal in this time?

There are as many jews in,the u.s as in isreal.

 

[jasonc]

the wall of separation since you are a Jew and I am not you have special class. Except you said I am not a Jew I never said that. All those things are judged in the Law of the Kingdom for believers. Everyone else in this world who has not accepted Christ will be judged by that Law. Once the Mosaic covenant does what God designed it to do, all according to Paaul, it is ended. What then was the Law? it was to reveal sin, sentence the sinner to death, hold the sinner in a cell unable to produce fruit for Christ, if brought to Christ the Mosaic Covenant is at an end except for Judgment. If brought to Christ the Law as given on a different Mount, the Sermon on The Mount given by the one and only Lawgiver, Jesus Christ.

Zechariah 12 in the last days when the Evil Shepherd is present the Land is going to be split into a dual kingdom once again. See what is awaiting them. Isaiah chapters 1_5 apostate Israel when the Lord has returned in splendor what condition are they in?

You confuse modern isreal with judaism.

The law was completed in Jesus .before that a febrile outside often chance living near isreal had no chance of being redeemed.Jesus changed that and God began dealing with all nations.

 

[jasonc]

Ever since the cross all of jewry is apostate .people look for this massive revival when it can be done from all of the ages.

I stated you aren't a Jew because no educated in the Torah would ever say that a gentile is under the law.my dad being lost ,said that to me ,Moses is for Jews and was adamant that Adam was a gentile and said God did deal with the gentile first and Abraham wasn't a gentile.

Look up,the seven noahide laws.oral tradition of what laws the gentiles were to follow.its very old ,but a Talmudic tradition

 

[Shekinahglory]

Never mind the enemies of the Jews would attack any new anywhere.meaning in order for the millennial to be all of my family to be counted saved must be in isreal in this time?

There are as many jews in,the u.s as in isreal.

Ever hear of Aliyah, the return? All Jewish people will beback in Israel before the Day of the Lord takes place. The Great and Terrible Day of the Lord is often confused with the Day of the Lord's Return. they do come at the end of the thousand years and Christ is their wall and they are destroyed and with them judgment came first to the Jews and then to the Gentiles and judgment a thousand years earlier to the Jew and now to the Gentiles. The difference is playing out right before you as apostate Israel is having the hedge of protection removed by the Lord and they build the works of their own hands the wall. This Jerusalem will be destroyed along with all the dross. All Israel will be leveled. But the Israel and Jerusalem of the Last Days will have no walls and Satan released for a short time brings the nations against it and and the Lord is their wall.

 

[jasonc]

Ever hear of Aliyah, the return? All Jewish people will beback in Israel before the Day of the Lord takes place. The Great and Terrible Day of the Lord is often confused with the Day of the Lord's Return. they do come at the end of the thousand years and Christ is their wall and they are destroyed and with them judgment came first to the Jews and then to the Gentiles and judgment a thousand years earlier to the Jew and now to the Gentiles. The difference is playing out right before you as apostate Israel is having the hedge of protection removed by the Lord and they build the works of their own hands the wall. This Jerusalem will be destroyed along with all the dross. All Israel will be leveled. But the Israel and Jerusalem of the Last Days will have no walls and Satan released for a short time brings the nations against it and and the Lord is their wall.

She asks,that's rich ,of course I know but again.

If in,seven years which i don't hold such view .

You are assumimg Jews would leave America to live in isreal .I wouldn't ,visit yes .but I'm not going to give up,my gun rights,can't own land as i must be a Jew,messianic ones not accepted as part of the aliyah.nope Jewish land grants or funds.

Its not all that bad there ,I have friends whose wife has family in isreal that think America is more dangerous and are scares to visit.I'm a vet death and ops like that really wouldnt be much of a change but my,wife ?no ,why would risk her life.

Kibbutz anyone lol.

Nor can a Christian marry another in isreal outside of the few ones recognized faiths there .but i prefer not to engage in a thread on,the politics of isreal.

 

[Shekinahglory]

You confuse modern isreal with judaism.

The law was completed in Jesus .before that a febrile outside often chance living near isreal had no chance of being redeemed.Jesus changed that and God began dealing with all nations.

Here we are taken to the Israel of the Last days.

The Two Witnesses
11 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months." Re 11


Whose temple is this? This is the temple anti-Christ has claimed as his own. Two groups of people are mention the Gentiles in the outer court where under the Law they must not pass. So what people are in the priests court and the court of Israel? If they were Gentile also no distinction would be needed in identifying them separately.

 

[jasonc]

Again i guess all the dead jews who are saved aren't ,where exactly is the two ressurections ?

Jews gonna die in the millennium because theirs sin.Jews righteous will as wellsince death nor the final judgment has occurred ,and so forth with the gentiles ,

In,heaven where are the gentiles and the Hebrew?

 

[jasonc]

Here we are taken to the Israel of the Last days.

The Two Witnesses
11 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months." Re 11


Whose temple is this? This is the temple anti-Christ has claimed as his own. Two groups of people are mention the Gentiles in the outer court where under the Law they must not pass. So what people are in the priests court and the court of Israel? If they were Gentile also no distinction would be needed in identifying them separately.

And ?the temple of Jesus per your doctrine doesn't have an outer court.

Well,the temple must at first be declared Holy,in order for that to be ,then,something must be .either the temple system itself in,all of it is Holy or it isn't

Futurists.im not one .has a problem with that.