where are you going to if there is nothing there

[Shekinahglory]

She asks,that's rich ,of course I know but again.

If in,seven years which i don't hold such view .

You are assumimg Jews would leave America to live in isreal .I wouldn't ,visit yes .but I'm not going to give up,my gun rights,can't own land as i must be a Jew,messianic ones not accepted as part of the aliyah.nope Jewish land grants or funds.

Its not all that bad there ,I have friends whose wife has family in isreal that think America is more dangerous and are scares to visit.I'm a vet death and ops like that really wouldnt be much of a change but my,wife ?no ,why would risk her life.

Kibbutz anyone lol.

Nor can a Christian marry another in isreal outside of the few ones recognized faiths there .but i prefer not to engage in a thread on,the politics of isreal.

When the one who appears to be Messiah comes you will not be able to keep the diaspora the diaspora it will all be Aliyah. Let me add this and please consider the impact this will have both in Israel and in Jewish gathering points around the world. Malachi has never been literally fulfilled and if Scripture is proven true it must be fulfilled Elijah must come and prepare the way. Why didn't he come when the Lord came? Simple if he had come then judgment must shortly follow. The false PROPHET is coming and out of the lying signs and wonders that are said to be done by him only one is identified, he will bring fire down from heaven Who will Israel believe he is? More, the fire he brings down from heaven will actually be anti-Christ coming in a counterfeit Shekinah Glory. The Lord spoke of seeing Satan fall like this and the Lord Himself is coming as lightening when He returns. If that was all it would be a strong case but there is more. When anti-Christ comes down as lightening/fire they will have the one thing needed to once again have temple service, fire from heaven. No strange fire permitted. These are things Jews should know and understand instead we read Gentile teachings or Gentile teachings with added Jewish spices to make this palatable to Jews.

 

[Shekinahglory]

Again i guess all the dead jews who are saved aren't ,where exactly is the two ressurections ?

Jews gonna die in the millennium because theirs sin.Jews righteous will as wellsince death nor the final judgment has occurred ,and so forth with the gentiles ,

In,heaven where are the gentiles and the Hebrew?

Great White Throne Judgment

Jews dying in the Millennium will not happen as all that have been saved out of the Last Week of Daniels 70 Weeks believe in Christ and there are no one but Gentiles believers and unbelievers left on earth.

There is neither Jew or Gentiles we are the flock of the Good Shepherd

 

[jasonc]

When the one who appears to be Messiah comes you will not be able to keep the diaspora the diaspora it will all be Aliyah. Let me add this and please consider the impact this will have both in Israel and in Jewish gathering points around the world. Malachi has never been literally fulfilled and if Scripture is proven true it must be fulfilled Elijah must come and prepare the way. Why didn't he come when the Lord came? Simple if he had come then judgment must shortly follow. The false PROPHET is coming and out of the lying signs and wonders that are said to be done by him only one is identified, he will bring fire down from heaven Who will Israel believe he is? More, the fire he brings down from heaven will actually be anti-Christ coming in a counterfeit Shekinah Glory. The Lord spoke of seeing Satan fall like this and the Lord Himself is coming as lightening when He returns. If that was all it would be a strong case but there is more. When anti-Christ comes down as lightening/fire they will have the one thing needed to once again have temple service, fire from heaven. No strange fire permitted. These are things Jews should know and understand instead we read Gentile teachings or Gentile teachings with added Jewish spices to make this palatable to Jews.

I'm,going to a dress this somply since this is scoffieldism,Darby.

.where is the versus explicit one one group of gentiles ,apart from,the Hebrews in heaven?

You,mention Jews believing ,now why would believe that jesus is gonna return judge the nations ,despite warnings of the damnation of all that are lost at the return,He mentions no,second chance for the lost.john contraducts Jesus?

Only to set up,a third body of believers for a thousand years with neither sin dealt with,nor death cast away.

The bible wasn't enough ,nor the Holy spirit to raise up,a body ?

 

[Shekinahglory]

And ?the temple of Jesus per your doctrine doesn't have an outer court.

Well,the temple must at first be declared Holy,in order for that to be ,then,something must be .either the temple system itself in,all of it is Holy or it isn't

Futurists.im not one .has a problem with that.

the temple you are speaking of identified as anti-Christ's temple this is where he goes to claim the Throne of David.

You have heard of replacement theology a much more insidious form is in Prophecy Doctrine because the Jewish people have been blinded to her removal. There are people to this day that claim this will happen in Rome etc etc.

 

[jasonc]

Great White Throne Judgment

Jews dying in the Millennium will not happen as all that have been saved out of the Last Week of Daniels 70 Weeks believe in Christ and there are no one but Gentiles believers and unbelievers left on earth.

There is neither Jew or Gentiles we are the flock of the Good Shepherd

No,unbelieving Jews,funny ,so God will,damn the Jewish converts who are actually Jews,or how about those Jewish kids who are too yoing to know .where is it in the bible that the unbelieving gentiles arent judged ?

An army is gonna wipe out Jerusalem and the gentike nations won't resist and fighters won't rise up from them to stop that?



A Jew alive then,believes,isn't transformed ,so that ,we that are alive at His coming are caught up ..they aren't transformed nor any,gentike who believes ?

That's not another gospel?

 

[Shekinahglory]

I'm,going to a dress this somply since this is scoffieldism,Darby.

.where is the versus explicit one one group of gentiles ,apart from,the Hebrews in heaven?

You,mention Jews believing ,now why would believe that jesus is gonna return judge the nations ,despite warnings of the damnation of all that are lost at the return,He mentions no,second chance for the lost.john contraducts Jesus?

Only to set up,a third body of believers for a thousand years with neither sin dealt with,nor death cast away.

The bible wasn't enough ,nor the Holy spirit to raise up,a body ?

Please excuse me I am old and tired and my husband is sick and I am his care giver. Please indulge me in allowing this to continue as I have enjoyed our talking on these things

 

[jasonc]

the temple you are speaking of identified as anti-Christ's temple this is where he goes to claim the Throne of David.

You have heard of replacement theology a much more insidious form is in Prophecy Doctrine because the Jewish people have been blinded to her removal. There are people to this day that claim this will happen in Rome etc etc.

Sigh.

Post the verses where it says Jesus reigns from,Jerusalem.
I,was a. Pre mil ,pre trib.

Is 66,Ezekiel 40 to 48.

Those i posted are uses to support that .

 

[Shekinahglory]

No,unbelieving Jews,funny ,so God will,damn the Jewish converts who are actually Jews,or how about those Jewish kids who are too yoing to know .where is it in the bible that the unbelieving gentiles arent judged ?

An army is gonna wipe out Jerusalem and the gentike nations won't resist and fighters won't rise up from them to stop that?



A Jew alive then,believes,isn't transformed ,so that ,we that are alive at His coming are caught up ..they aren't transformed nor any,gentike who believes ?

That's not another gospel?

I was ready to get off and saw your latest text. I think somewhere this has gone of the track. You are accussing me of preaching a false gospel. You quote? what I write almost completely wrong and neither one of us needs this so I think instead of returning to this tomorrow I ask the Lord to bless us both with His wisdom. God bless

 

[jasonc]

Please excuse me I am old and tired and my husband is sick and I am his care giver. Please indulge me in allowing this to continue as I have enjoyed our talking on these things

Fair enough .its not like our discussion will usher the return

 

[jasonc]

Nope,not you.the doctrine of scofield,Darby implies unknowingly that another type of gospel .

I,was told that and began my research and its why in part I left pre trib ,pre mil.

As I told a pre tribber chaplain.why would Jesus return to set up another church?
Think for a second .you,are implying that .He will,return and teach via Jewish priests to,repent and thus when baptism is taught ,and also the command for it and communion its not also for the nation of isreal who aren't perfected?

Many problems .

My problems in,amil,

1.1000,years end ,
2.final one time realease of Satan to draw men to sin,and attack isreal
3.a city is built and attacked named Jerusalem.
4.early church views which aren't the same today on the trib with the idea of an anti Christ as in,the early fathers the idea of it being fulfilled in ad 70 isn't as such.

I'm at current partial preterist


Biggest problems I remember.I have no,solid answer

 

[for_his_glory]

Look up,the seven noahide laws.oral tradition of what laws the gentiles were to follow.its very old ,but a Talmudic tradition

Noahic Laws: Gentiles
Not to worship idols.
Not to curse God.
To establish courts of justice.
Not to commit murder.
Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
Not to steal.
Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.

Mt. Sinai Laws: Jews
You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.

 

[for_his_glory]

We do not enter the Millennial Kingdom here on earth in our natural bodies, but in new glorified bodies, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54. When Christ returns in the air we are then caught up to meet Him in the air (no pretrib) and so shall we ever be with the Lord as He has made us unto our God kings and priests and we shall reign on the earth as we rule with Him over the nations as His enemies have become His footstool in the end of days, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18; Rev 5:10; Psalms 110:1-4; Hebrews 10:12, 13.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21 Jesus descends down from heaven with His army of the host (angels) of heaven as while remaining in the air He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him. He will destroy the beast and false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire, Rev 19:15, 16. The remnant in Rev 19:21 are the world leaders of every nation on the earth that have followed after the beast that rules their government. The remnant will be slain by the very words Jesus speaks of their damnation as the fowls will be filled with their flesh and at that time Satan will be chained and bound so he can not interfere with the ungodly people that are still alive on earth that become the footstool of Christ. Then the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and He shall reign for ever and the saints will begin to rule over the nations here on earth, Rev 11:15; 5:10; 20:1-3; Matthew 5:5.

Rev 20:7-10 Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the ruling leaders from every nation that followed after the beast are destroyed are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints during the battle of Armageddon that are camped upon the breadth of the earth after he is released for a season, Psalms 2:7-10; 110; Ezekiel 36; 37; Rev 20:7-9. The saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Zechariah 14:1, 2; Luke 21:20 and Rev 16:16 mentions the battle of Armageddon when Christ and His army of angels return as Christ plants His feet on the mount of Olives for the final battle as Gog and Magog found in Ezekiel Chapter 38 is the battle of Rev 20:7-9.

(IMO 1000 years is a figurative number, not a literal number. It is figurative like the numbering in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.)

John 5:28, 29; Rev 20:11-15, now comes the Great White throne judgment as the books are opened with one of them being the Lamb's book of life where all the saints of God have their names written as they have part of the first resurrection of eternal life on such the second death hath no power, Rev 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57. The other book is opened being the book of damnation where the enemies of God that were killed while trying to destroy the camp of the saints are now joined with those enemies of Christ that were also raised from their graves and are reserved, 2 Peter 2:9, as now since they were condemned and judged will be cast into the lake of fire. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. While the saints are with Jesus the earth will be renewed and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven, Rev 21.

Matthew 24:22 these days are shortened for a time that only God holds back or extends to allow His purpose for the last one to repent and turn back to Him before Christ returns, Rev 19, as God alone knows their name. Only God can shorten days like He did with Hezekiah as He caused the sundial to go backwards ten degrees, Isaiah 38:8, which was possibly five hours and again in Joshua 10:12-14 God extended the daylight for Joshua to defeat the Amorites.

Christ returns on the last day at the seventh trumpet and on that day His Bride being the collective body of believers through faith in Christ and sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption will be caught up to Him. Both asleep in their grave and those who are alive at His coming will then be kept safe on that day while Christ fights the final battle casting the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire and slaying all those nations (people) who come out to fight against Him.
(John 5:25-30; 6:40; Ephesians 1:3-14;1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19; Zechariah 14:1-6; Luke 21:20-22)