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Who will get the Mark of the Beast???

Classik

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I am still confused with this whole Mark of the Beast thing, frankly. People have different interpretations: are people compelled by law to get it? Duress? Willingness??? Who will/should/would/could/shall get the Mark of the Beast? :biggrinunno :shrug :confused

Also, what exactly is this Mark of the Beast; who gives it? Why? Tnx in ad.

And there is this saying: The Mark of the Beast - Your Meal Ticket.
 
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Earrings in men... is not the mark of the beast... probably.:twocents
 

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I am still confused with this whole Mark of the Beast thing, frankly. People have different interpretations: are people compelled by law to get it? Duress? Willingness??? Who will/should/would/could/shall get the Mark of the Beast? :biggrinunno :shrug :confused

Also, what exactly is this Mark of the Beast; who gives it? Why? Tnx in ad.

And there is this saying: The Mark of the Beast - Your Meal Ticket.
Remember: the Rapture (1 Thess. 4) occurs before the coming of the Beast.
 

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Considering those who observe the Sabbaths and do His commandments are told by God they will receive a mark on their foreheads and hands that will identify them as His.

I suppose then those who do not do the above would receive on their foreheads and hands the mark of the beast. However the only reference I find of a beast in Torah is in reference to sin of which its definition could be summed up as rebellion against God's instruction for us. So I think those that do sin,do so willingly therefore just as willingly receive the mark of sin/beast.

Some religious sects even go so far as to teach lawlessness that they don't have to do the will of their Father in heaven. Which I find most hypocritical as they turn right around and fully expect their children to obey them.

But to repent and to change our ways and live according to His ways can only bring forgiveness. Ezekiel 18
 
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Alright. Thanks for your replys. however I don't think there exists a verse that says those who do not reverence the Lord would willingly take the Mark. You see the point? Would they receive it by force? Also, who gives the Mark? Thanks once more
 

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Alright. Thanks for your replys. however I don't think there exists a verse that says those who do not reverence the Lord would willingly take the Mark. You see the point? Would they receive it by force? Also, who gives the Mark? Thanks once more

Hmm I do believe you are correct in that there is no verse which explicitly says who receives the mark or how they will receive it. I simply surmised that if God says we receive a mark on our foreheads and hands which identifies us as His because we DO willingly reverence Him.

One could then say that other mark, the mark of sin (the crouching beast) is intended for those who willing do NOT, as you say, reverence Him. The mark of sin is very evident in those who willing and openly rebel (sin) against God. The way I see it because they rebel they already are marked.

But rest assured there is repentance and forgivness which YHVH says is available to anyone who loves Him listens to and lives by His instruction.
 

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I am still confused with this whole Mark of the Beast thing, frankly. People have different interpretations: are people compelled by law to get it? Duress? Willingness??? Who will/should/would/could/shall get the Mark of the Beast? :biggrinunno :shrug :confused

Also, what exactly is this Mark of the Beast; who gives it? Why? Tnx in ad.

And there is this saying: The Mark of the Beast - Your Meal Ticket.
"Law, duress, or willingness?" - Willingness for it is taken voluntarily. It is not a literal mark but rather is spiritual. It is to believe lies, it is to be deceived. One allows themselves to be deceived so it is the willing taking of the mark.

"Who gives it?" - The "beast" that appears as the Lamb of God but...he is the dragon/serpent/Satan.

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

13:14-18 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

He, the fake christ, causes them to "receive a mark," meaning it is not forced. A mark in one's right hand denotes that you work for him while a mark in one's forehead means you have accepted his lies....you are deceived.


 

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Remember: the Rapture (1 Thess. 4) occurs before the coming of the Beast.

You are greatly mistaken. That is the deception, the lie, the delusion that causes many to carry his mark in their foreheads.
 

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That is a very good point about the connection between the old sabbath keeping and the mark on the head and hand. For myself I'm thinking we need to look large as in fufillment events. Many of the events and activities that the Jews did pointed to large scale world fufillment. What does it really look like to have the whole world rest, to stop working and slaving away? Doesn't this modern society demand a slave like devotion of all our time and energies?

I will do mor bible reading on this point and share later....

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You are greatly mistaken. That is the deception, the lie, the delusion that causes many to carry his mark in their foreheads.
What am I supposed to look for? Antichrist? the beast? Surely not?

Revelation 22: 'Even so, come, Lord Jesus'.
 

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"Law, duress, or willingness?" - Willingness for it is taken voluntarily. It is not a literal mark but rather is spiritual. It is to believe lies, it is to be deceived. One allows themselves to be deceived so it is the willing taking of the mark.
Matthew 24:24 ". . if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
 

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What am I supposed to look for? Antichrist? the beast? Surely not?

Revelation 22: 'Even so, come, Lord Jesus'.

Yes Farouk, we are to know who comes first and withstand him. We can't stand if we "fly away." Rapture is a lie, a dispicable, terrible, dangerous lie.


Ephesians 6:12-14 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;


2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2:8-12 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Christ WILL NOT return, we do NOT gather to Him, until the tribulation (time of great deception) ends. Then it will be the time of the wrath...they are not the same event. The tribulation is the "strong delusion" God allows to test us. That time is destroyed when Christ, the true Christ, arrives.
 

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For myself, I'm seeing this mark already in place seen through the large scale cooperation of all the men in all the nations all working toward maintaining and ever expanding this great destructive global civilization. All these billions of people building the kingdoms of men rather than looking to the kingdom of God. This is the greatest lie and act of deception even seen in history.

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I used to study this when I was a teen ager and a lot of it stuck. There will come a time when men must receive a mark in their right hands or forheads, and they will not be able to buy or sell without it. A lot of people think that this will be the rfid chips that they have now. The same (or similar) to the ones they put under Pets skin for identification, and use in some credit cards now. I lean to this way of thinking also.

I do not know how they will tie it to worshipping the Anti-Christ. It has to be totally voluntary, they can not force it upon you. But that is the gist of it. They are already talking about going cashless. Big coincidence there.

I was going to ask about the chips! Maybe worshipping the anti-Christ would just be the greed, sexual morality, violence, etc...

Would that mean we should refuse the chip? Suppose those are the people who would end up in the camps?
 

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Perhaps because we are Christians living in the most advanced rich part of the world our minds are more easily lead to believe in a real mark/chip thing ....

Recall however the scripture says everyone/all.....

there is just no way in real world realities for this to even be possible, period.

I feel we need to guard against mixing science fiction with Christian reality.

It's time to get the sense of it.

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The Revelation also speaks of the seal of God..


Edward, could it be what is in our minds and what we do with our hands?
 

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The Revelation also speaks of the seal of God..


Edward, could it be what is in our minds and what we do with our hands?
That's interesting, could it tie into not being able to buy or sell anything though?
 

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I was thinking down the lines of if one does not work he does not eat. What can you accomplish if you don't use your brain...
 

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