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[_ Old Earth _] Why do evolutionists' believe in a theory?

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InChrist

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How can a strict scientist believe in something that remains to be proven? Why are they treating a theory as a fact? There are countless scientific shows were they act like evolution has been proven. Is this ethical? Is this scientific? Does it follow the scientific process? How can evolutionists' remain open-minded while believing in something that remains to be proven? Is this science?
 
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Here's a nice little article from an online dictionary

http://www.wordiq.com/cgi-bin/knowledge ... tle=Theory

Key to your misunderstanding:

In common usage a theory is often viewed as little more than a guess or a hypothesis. But in science and generally in academic usage, a theory is much more than that. A theory is an established paradigm that explains all or many of the data we have and offers valid predictions that can be tested. In science, a theory can never be proven true, because we can never assume we know all there is to know. Instead, theories remain standing until they are disproven, at which point they are thrown out altogether or modified slightly
 

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Well not all evolutionary ideas should be considered as fact. Some "evolution"(if you want to call it that) does happen. It is a fact, but you must also realize that what evolution is shown to happen is not contradictory to the Bible or to logic, or to anything much at all. However, I believe that a line should be drawn from what has been observed, and what has not. For instance, the idea that man evolved from lower apes should not be taught as fact unless it has been observed happening. It has not as far as Iam aware. If it is shown to happen, if it is ever observed, i will believe it. I might even believe it if evidence that cannot easily be circumstancial is given, etc. I see evolution as two kinds of things. There is creationistic evolution, which is true and non contradictory to the Bible. Then there is atheistic evolution, which is the idea of human evolution from lower apes, abiogenesis, etc. These things are not true, and have never been observed, that is not what evolutionists seem to want people to think ,however. Things change over time, so what. Be careful about what you believe however, and be sure you make your beliefs true, before you believe in it. Discernment is key.
 

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Well not all evolutionary ideas should be considered as fact.
Not all ideas in chemistry, or astronomy, or any other science shoud be considered as fact. When everything is known about any science, it is dead. No new problems, no scientists are needed. Just engineers and technologists.

Some "evolution"(if you want to call it that) does happen. It is a fact, but you must also realize that what evolution is shown to happen is not contradictory to the Bible or to logic, or to anything much at all. However, I believe that a line should be drawn from what has been observed, and what has not. For instance, the idea that man evolved from lower apes should not be taught as fact unless it has been observed happening.
Since the evidence from a wide variety of independent data show us that it is true, scientists find it compelling.

There is creationistic evolution, which is true and non contradictory to the Bible. Then there is atheistic evolution, which is the idea of human evolution from lower apes, abiogenesis, etc.
There is no "creationist" or "atheistic" evolution. There is just evolution. One cannot graft religious notions onto science. It just doesn't work.
 
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There is no "creationist" or "atheistic" evolution. There is just evolution. One cannot graft religious notions onto science. It just doesn't work.
What tends to happen here is that the two get confused, people start to think that creationism is scientific and that evolution is a religion, which is patently false.
 

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I definately see types of evolution as creationistic, or atheistic. I see different kinds of evolutionary ideas, and what they teach, and what they promote. I don't group it all together.
 
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The Barbarian said:
There is creationistic evolution, which is true and non contradictory to the Bible. Then there is atheistic evolution, which is the idea of human evolution from lower apes, abiogenesis, etc.
There is no "creationist" or "atheistic" evolution. There is just evolution. One cannot graft religious notions onto science. It just doesn't work.
I disagree. Even if Intelligent Design is not unprovable, and hence not a scientific theory, it is still a valid philosophical viewpoint to hold. It certainly works in the sense that it is logically possible to have a creator guiding the force of evolution. Religion can, and I think must eventually, be grafted around our scientific understanding of the world. It's a slow process, since as you can see most Christians are a couple hundred years behind the times, but I think its inevitable.
 
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Even if it were unprovable it's a useless scientific theory, what does it tell us about genetics? Taxonomy? Biology in general? Almost nothing that can be corroborated, except perhaps that there is a 'purpose' to our lives, but that's one other thing one could neither corroborate nor disprove.
ID might be valid, but it's pointless.
 
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cubedbee

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Maybe its pointless to you, since you have no desire to worship a god. Others have this desire, and ID can fulfil it while allowing them to be intelligent and openminded.
 

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I disagree. Even if Intelligent Design is not unprovable, and hence not a scientific theory, it is still a valid philosophical viewpoint to hold.
It is a religion. A perfectly valid one, but not science. I object to it, because I don't like to demean the Creator by demoting Him to "designer."

It certainly works in the sense that it is logically possible to have a creator guiding the force of evolution. Religion can, and I think must eventually, be grafted around our scientific understanding of the world.
Won't work. Science is too weak a process to deal with the supernatural. Maybe, someday, someone will figure out a way to do it better, and graft science onto that system.

But science will never be able to do it.

It's a slow process, since as you can see most Christians are a couple hundred years behind the times, but I think its inevitable.
Some Christians. Others are quite knowledgable.
 
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InChrist said:
How can a strict scientist believe in something that remains to be proven? Why are they treating a theory as a fact? There are countless scientific shows were they act like evolution has been proven. Is this ethical? Is this scientific? Does it follow the scientific process? How can evolutionists' remain open-minded while believing in something that remains to be proven? Is this science?
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You are confusing the idea. Evolution is both a fact and a theory. On the one hand there is the question of whether or not modern organisms evolved from older ancestral organisms and whether modern species are continuing to change. On the other hand are the questions of the mechanics involved that brought about these observed changes. Biologists consider biological evolution to be a fact. In fact the newspapers as recently as this year have had numerous stories about several strains of influenza that evolved or changed. So here you have in front of your very eyes evolution demonstrating its reality. Since man is a biological creature why do you continue to close your eyes to the reality of evolution? To answer your questions about the answer is yes to all. Do we have all the answers to the issue? No. The bigger question for you is how do theists remain open minded when they refuse to look at the evidence which is plain to see while relying on stories with no known author or evidence to back it up and an admission they have no other explanation for our existance?
 
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Evolution has no facts

:o Evolution fact? No way!!!
you cannot pick and choose scientists and teachers that support your religion and base that pagan mess on facts.
Christians don't have a problem with true science,we have a problem believing those who claim science supports their religious ideas when it doesn't.
christians and science have no problems.
everyone knows creation is a miracle and must be the work of the greatest artist that ever existed and still exists. You cannot make a plant in a lab or even a hybrid unless you take from a plant that already existed.
You cannot create life without life that was already here.
The big bang hoax is just that,a hoax!
No,I don't believe in the Harry Potter stories,o.k? Just letting you know this right up front in advance. :B-fly:
 
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SyntaxVorlon

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Trolling, ignorant AND a necrophile. Don't post in arguments that are over a two weeks old and not active bel, as a general rule.
 
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