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SB,

One of the significant problems we run into with the KJV is that three Greek words were translated by the one word 'hell': hades, gehenna and tartaras.

I have attempted to understand this in my article, Hell in the Bible.

Oz
Very good piece OzSpen, i like your style.

One thing I find missing is how both greek and Norse mythology has been scrubbed from Hades, Tartarus ( deepest depths of Hades where only the wicked reside) and Hell.

The article give a brief, but decent backgroun view of Gehenna and Shoel but completely lacks a description of the origin of the others.

Why?
 
Very good piece OzSpen, i like your style.

One thing I find missing is how both greek and Norse mythology has been scrubbed from Hades, Tartarus ( deepest depths of Hades where only the wicked reside) and Hell.

The article give a brief, but decent backgroun view of Gehenna and Shoel but completely lacks a description of the origin of the others.

Why?

SB,

I provide brief background information on Sheol/Hades, Gehenna and Tartarus in my article, Do evil doers experience eternal destruction or annihilation at death?

The problem with understanding Tartarus is that it appears only once in the NT at 2 Peter 2:4,"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell [tartarus] and committed them to chains [or pits] of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgement";

So Tartarus is the destiny of fallen angels. Bauer, Arndt & Gingrich's Greek lexicon gives this meaning: 'Tartarus, thought of by the Greeks as a subterranean place lower than Hades where divine punishment was meted out, was so regarded in Jewish apocalyptic as well (Job 41:24)' (BAG 1957:813). Moulton & Milligan translate 2 Pet 2:4 as 'hold captive in Tartarus'.

Tartarus is used in 2 Peter 2:4 to refer to angels and where they were cast. He was using a word that in Greek literature meant a place of conscious torment in the netherworld. It did not mean non-existence, but referred to their being reserved in the place of mental anguish and terror until the day of judgment (Morey 1984:135).

In Marvin Vincent's word studies he states of Tartarus, 'It is strange to find Peter using this Pagan term, which represents the Greek hell, though treated here not as equivalent to Gehenna, but as the place of detention until the judgment' (Word Pictures in the New Testament, vol 1, p. 691).

Encyclopaedia Britannica provides this explanation of the link between Tartarus and Greek mythology:

Tartarus, the infernal regions of ancient Greek mythology. The name was originally used for the deepest region of the world, the lower of the two parts of the underworld, where the gods locked up their enemies. It gradually came to mean the entire underworld. As such it was the opposite of Elysium, where happy souls lived after death. In some accounts Tartarus was one of the personified elements of the world, along with Gaea (Earth) and others. According to those accounts, Tartarus and Gaea produced the monster Typhon. Compare Hades (Encyclopaedia Britannica 2019. s.v. Tartarus).
Oz

Bibliography

Morey, R. A. 1984. Death and the Afterlife. Minneapolis, Minnesota: Bethany House Publishers.

Vincent, M R 1887/1969. Word Studies in the New Testament. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co, vol 1.
 
DD,

This is a message about the call of Jeremiah to be a prophet:



God is omniscient (all-knowing) and he exists outside of time. He created time. God's plan for Jeremiah incorporated the time before he was conceived. This applies to all of us.

In essence, God told Jeremiah that His knowledge of him was from a long way back - before birth when he was only a thought in God's mind. I find it beyond my comprehension that Jeremiah and all believers have a position/place in God's mind before our birth. It's a mystery to me, but that seems to be the teaching of Jer 1:4-5.

However, the Creator of time is not saying in this verse that we all have a pre-existence. It says more about God and His infinite knowledge, understanding, wisdom and insight. It is out of this world.

Before the earth was created I DID NOT exist. I was supernaturally known by the God, who is outside of time. It is God's omniscience in action.

Oz

i understand that you can interpret it to mean what you say above, does not change the validity of what i said.
 
If you'd like me to leave, I will.

I believe it's a forum guideline to address issues, not people.
no not at all - apologies if it sounded like that

- just saying that when any of us follow something other than scripture it creates confusion for the person who follows another source

my friends and family and i have all been there done that and it always ends up in a mess

- now we all challenge each other to prove it solidly with scripture - iow we challenge each other to follow scripture and nothing else
 
You are way to smart for me, i don't know about anything you just said above. i only know what God told me and what Scriptures teach. Didn't God know Jeremiah before He was even in the womb?

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

The above verse if to be believed teaches that Jeremiah was KNOWN, existed, prior to ever being formed in the womb as Jeremiah.

People, please listen to the Truth. Before the Earth was ever created, YOU existed. NOT you that is flesh, but the spirit that is in YOU.
could it perhaps mean that God thought of us/imagined us before He created us?

any designer sees his creation in his mind before he puts it to paper and then constructs it - iow he KNOWS his creation before he puts it to paper
 
I believe we are only in the flesh once.
However, I do believe we spiritually existed before and will spiritually exist after this earth age.
God hated Esau before he was born. Rom.9:11-13.
 
I believe we are only in the flesh once.
However, I do believe we spiritually existed before and will spiritually exist after this earth age.
God hated Esau before he was born. Rom.9:11-13.

The story of Esau and Jacob have always befuddled me. If Esau was a wicked man and Jacob a rightous one that would make more sense to me. But Jacob struggled as a trickster throughout much of his life. What qualities did one brother have that the other didn't? That God chose one and loved, and hated the other?
 
The story of Esau and Jacob have always befuddled me. If Esau was a wicked man and Jacob a rightous one that would make more sense to me. But Jacob struggled as a trickster throughout much of his life. What qualities did one brother have that the other didn't? That God chose one and loved, and hated the other?
From what they did before they were born.
Regardless, Esau sold his birthright.
He despised his birthright. Gen.25:33,34
As you see in Gen.25:23, God planned 2 Nations, and the elder shall serve the younger.
 
could it perhaps mean that God thought of us/imagined us before He created us?

any designer sees his creation in his mind before he puts it to paper and then constructs it - iow he KNOWS his creation before he puts it to paper
There is freewill,
Else we are robots.
Why go through all this, life in flesh, if He created everyone evil or good?
God could had destroyed His children when Satan rebelled that drew 1/3 of His children.
But He loves His children so much, He was to become flesh, and shed His blood for our sins, which as we became partakers of flesh also.
Heb.2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, HE ALSO HIMSELF ((( LIKEWISE)))) TOOK PART OF THE SAME,
That through death He might destroy him that had power of death, that is, the devil....

There is life in the blood....

Everyone has freewill to serve God or Satan.
Thus, this life is a test to see whom you will serve which results in life or death.
There will be no more rebellions.....
 
Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated. I will show mercy to whom I will show mercy, I will show compassion to whom I will show compassion... (paraphrase, hence no " " or address).

I dunno. foreknowledge is discussed in Scripture. clearly, at least some individuals are selected, by God and for His own reasons, for things that others...aren't. perhaps the Calvinists are correct, and Jesus' atonement is -for- The Elect, and no one else? I don't know. I knew about Calvinism before I came to know Jesus. now, I'm just thankful to be saved, happy to see that Jesus still saves others, too.
 
Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated. I will show mercy to whom I will show mercy, I will show compassion to whom I will show compassion... (paraphrase, hence no " " or address).

I dunno. foreknowledge is discussed in Scripture. clearly, at least some individuals are selected, by God and for His own reasons, for things that others...aren't. perhaps the Calvinists are correct, and Jesus' atonement is -for- The Elect, and no one else? I don't know. I knew about Calvinism before I came to know Jesus. now, I'm just thankful to be saved, happy to see that Jesus still saves others, too.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish....
 
i DiscipleDave am appointed to die ONCE. Talking about me, and my flesh that is absolutely True, But are you suggesting the spirit that is in me dies too? Hebrews 9:27 is talking about MAN, NOT spirit. please try to understand that.
The passage is crystal clear. Man the body dies. Man the spirit/soul goes to God for Judgement.

There is no room there for reincarnation.
 
The passage is crystal clear. Man the body dies. Man the spirit/soul goes to God for Judgement.

There is no room there for reincarnation.


Scriptures are crystal clear. Man the body dies. Man the spirit/soul goes to God on one of Two Judgment Days.

Judgment Day is NOT the time of death. When Jesus gets Here, it is Judgment Day for the Saints, if their name is found in the Book of Life, it is ONLY on that DAY they are Judged Saved and Raptured up to be with Jesus where He is, in the Holy City Jerusalem. Or you go to God on the Great White Throne Judgment Day, when your name is not found in the Book of Life, and you are cast into the lake of fire.

ONLY TWO day that are Judgment Days, The Rapture for the Saints, and White Throne for the wicked. When a person dies is NOT judgment Day.

So yes it is appointed for every single human flesh to die once, and yes one day in the future all spirits will return to God. Righteous Spirits return to God to live with Him for ever, and unrighteous Spirits return to God to be judged and cast into lake of fire. Scriptures are crystal clear on these matters.
 
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