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Why does Israel rule in the Lord's kingdom?

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if you read the whole chapter it makes it clear it's not over every nation - just over the nations that oppressed them and made them their captives

sounds like vindication and tables turned by God on those who treat israel wickedly
 

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if you read the whole chapter it makes it clear it's not over every nation - just over the nations that oppressed them and made them their captives

sounds like vindication and tables turned by God on those who treat israel wickedly
Yes, it's not every nation. It's every nation in the Lord's kingdom.
Israel is given authority to reign over the nations in the Lord's kingdom.
You believe they are given authority to reign over the nations in the Lord's kingdom because the nations reigned over them? I thought God had handed them over to the nations to begin with because they turned from God?

 

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Yes, it's not every nation. It's every nation in the Lord's kingdom.
Israel is given authority to reign over the nations in the Lord's kingdom.
You believe they are given authority to reign over the nations in the Lord's kingdom because the nations reigned over them? I thought God had handed them over to the nations to begin with because they turned from God?

i don't see the Lord's kingdom in this chapter - those who oppress israel are not the Lord's kingdom - they are of the devil's kingdom - nations who are disobedient to the Lord
 

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i don't see the Lord's kingdom in this chapter - those who oppress israel are not the Lord's kingdom - they are of the devil's kingdom - nations who are disobedient to the Lord

It says right there it's the Lord's land. It's not someone elses or governed by others. Normally, when you have a certain area of land and you are the king of that land, it's your kingdom.

Here Israel is yet again, reigning in the Lord's land.

You do agree this is the Lord's land in which they reign with the Lord don't you? Or do you believe it belongs to someone else?
 

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Isaiah 13:1-14:23 are the prophecies against mystery Babylon, Rev 18, in the end of days that will be destroyed by the brightness of Christ coming on the last day, 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Rev 19:11-19. Those of faith in God, being the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel that have been scattered throughout the nations, (except for the tribe of Dan an Ephraim as they never repented for going after other gods), will be gathered back to Jerusalem before the return of Christ as they are sealed by the Spirit of God before the angels are sent out to hurt the earth, Rev 7:1-8. They along with all who are Christ own that have been sealed unto the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30, will then enter their rest in the New Jerusalem that God will usher down from heaven, Rev 21:1-5.
 

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Isaiah 13:1-14:23 are the prophecies against mystery Babylon, Rev 18, in the end of days that will be destroyed by the brightness of Christ coming on the last day, 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Rev 19:11-19. Those of faith in God, being the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel that have been scattered throughout the nations, (except for the tribe of Dan an Ephraim as they never repented for going after other gods), will be gathered back to Jerusalem before the return of Christ as they are sealed by the Spirit of God before the angels are sent out to hurt the earth, Rev 7:1-8. They along with all who are Christ own that have been sealed unto the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30, will then enter their rest in the New Jerusalem that God will usher down from heaven, Rev 21:1-5.
It's the Medes who destroy Babylon.


And they don't hide thier intentions.
 

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Why does Israel rule in the Lord's kingdom?

I’m not sure where you get the idea that Israel rules the Lord’s Kingdom. I’ve read the Old Testament and it is true that God chose the Israelite's, but God also set conditions that they must follow to continue getting His grace. Reading ¼ of the story falls short of His true intentions and what the Israelite's did in return.
 

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Why does Israel rule in the Lord's kingdom?

I’m not sure where you get the idea that Israel rules the Lord’s Kingdom. I’ve read the Old Testament and it is true that God chose the Israelite's, but God also set conditions that they must follow to continue getting His grace. Reading ¼ of the story falls short of His true intentions and what the Israelite's did in return.
I get the idea that Israel will rule over the nations in the Lord's land because Israel wrote that Israel will rule over the nations in the Lord's land.
The condition set for this achievement is that they must overcome as Christ overcame.
Now isn't that how Jacob earned the name Israel to begin with?


There is only one way for Israel to rule over the nations in the Lord's land. Blessed are they who do it:)
 
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Only one way for Israel to rule over the nations in the Lord's land. Along time ago I learned the mark of the beast would only be given to the occupants of Israel. But for those Israelis who do not worship the beast or recieve its mark and remain faithful to death, they will reign over the nations in the Lord's land.
 

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But for those Israelis who do not worship the beast or recieve its mark and remain faithful to death, they will reign over the nations in the Lord's land.
If believing this helps you sleep at night, then who am I to bring you nightmares instead.

May your dreams be comforting and you and yours live peaceful and happy lives
 

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the whole earth belongs to the Lord - but we know that all the people on the earth are not God-lovers or obedient to God - God's people do not oppress God's people - the devil's people do that
 

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the whole earth belongs to the Lord - but we know that all the people on the earth are not God-lovers or obedient to God - God's people do not oppress God's people - the devil's people do that
Correct, Israel does not oppress thier oppressors. They rule over them just as Christ rules over the nations.
As for the Lord's land.

There is a specific area that is promised to the seed of Abraham. That land is what Isaiah calls the Lord's land.Isaiah is not talking about all the world here.

David prophecying of the ten horn making war with the Lamb over the kingdom called that area the pasturlands of God.

He also is not talking about all the world.

And when Gog invades the Lord's land and surrounds those who are reigning with Christ, it is also not talki g about the entire world but a specific area where Israel reigns.

 
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Why is it given to Israel to rule over the nations in the Lord's kingdom?
Why aren't you reading the OT with N T eyes?

We know that in Jesus there are no Greek, no barbarian, no slave, no free, no male and no female so why do you assume that there will be Israel and what ever nations perscuted Israel.

In the new heaven and the new earth there will only be those who are Jesus's.
There a Christian who died during perscution will stand along side the perscutor who million and has since come to Christ.
They will worship Jesus together as brothers.much of the of is written in earthly military/political language and not in my spiritual language.
 

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Why aren't you reading the OT with N T eyes?

We know that in Jesus there are no Greek, no barbarian, no slave, no free, no male and no female so why do you assume that there will be Israel and what ever nations perscuted Israel.

In the new heaven and the new earth there will only be those who are Jesus's.
There a Christian who died during perscution will stand along side the perscutor who million and has since come to Christ.
They will worship Jesus together as brothers.much of the of is written in earthly military/political language and not in my spiritual language.

The New testiment separates the twelve tribes of Israel from the great multitude which come from the nations.
John sees these with the Lamb on Mt zion.
John was able to tell the difference with his new testiment eyes.

How can John tell the difference when you say there is no difference?
 
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How can John tell the difference when you say there is no difference?
Not my words but Paul's.

As for revelation that is a series of word pictures discribing something beyond our comprehension.

There will be far more than just twelve Jewish tribes in heaven, so the picture of 12 tribes is one of completeness.
 

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Not my words but Paul's.

As for revelation that is a series of word pictures discribing something beyond our comprehension.

There will be far more than just twelve Jewish tribes in heaven, so the picture of 12 tribes is one of completeness.
Yes, John saw the 12 tribes of Israel, then he saw a multitude from the nations. He was able to tell the difference.
 
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