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Why I disagree with Preterism

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There was a resurrection when people came out there tombs, and, Christ returned and showed himself to over 500 people.

These were the spirit's of the saints taken from the heart of the earth, in Abraham's Bosom up to heaven.

They have not been Resurrected from the dead, and stood before the judgement seat of Christ [Matthew 25] and received their immortal bodies that will never die, and will shine like the sun.

And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36


39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Matthew 13:39-43


The Resurrection occurs at His Coming!


22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23


...those who are Christ's at His coming. All those who are Christ's will receive their immortal bodies all at the same time.

The dead in Christ will rise first. These will return from heaven with the Lord, where they are now.

Then we who are alive and remain, will be caught up together with them.

Together with them in the air!

All those who are Christ's will be gathered together at the resurrection at the end of the age.


so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28


Do you believe Christ has Come a Second Time?


JLB
 
hardly, I have changed from pre tribber to partial preterist amil. im also willing to go back if I see it again. so far I haven't.
 
Preterism is biblical. The only question is to what extent. Futurism is every bit as inconsistent with the methods of biblical interpretation as the myriad of preterist views. What is important, beyond their truth, is how these various views promote the great commission.

What futurism appears to be inconsistent with is the point in history from which it is viewed. Until the modern State of Israel was reborn in 1948, many Christian pulpits taught it would never / could never happen. Oftentimes when a prophesy that we know that we know that we know is actually fulfilled... we are shocked by the way it is fulfilled because we never saw it coming and it is precisely the way the scriptures said it would be fulled. Like the island of Tyre prophecy. http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=1790
 
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I also note that CFnet has determined that Full Preterism is a heresy.

Partial Preterism for no other reason than the reasons futurists use to refute all forms of Preterism for not being Full Preterists themselves.

When I have debated Preterism v Futurism and shown Partial preterists are in this dilemma this is usually when the throw things at me and stomp off to try to repair the damage the truth has done to their belief system.
 
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I believe rather than "unbiblical" the term should be "inconsist". With my view of scripture The Bible is used, but very inconsistently -- some things are literal, and when convenient (or inconvenient) allegorical or symbolical. Anything can mean anything.

To add a little more detail from Wikipedia (readily available to all)
Not to be rude, Malachi, but a futurist accusing preterists of inconsistency is laughable! The Bible is written in different genres--even futurists know them, acknowledge them, and promote them. For example, there is narrative--the telling of historical events and the people involved (e.g. the historical accounts of the story of Israel). There is poetry such as the Psalms. There is prophecy--both major and minor. There is the symbolic such as the Revelation.

Let's talk about time statement, shall we? Futurists love the words SOON, NEAR, ABOUT TO, AT HAND, SHORTLY when they occur in simple narrative and in NONESCHATOLOGICAL passages. That literalism all changes as soon as anything prophetic or ESCHATOLOGICAL is in view. Then THIS generation means THAT generation. SOON means LATER, MUCH LATER. NEAR means FAR. AT HAND means it could happen at anytime but probably not for a long time (e.g. thousands of years). Jesus said SOON but He really meant QUICKLY. In other words, Jesus wasn't giving any type of time frame; His whole purpose in order to comfort those of HIS day who were about to greatly suffer was to tell them that when He came (not to them--sorry guys) but in the FAR distant future, He was going to come really fast. He told them not let their hearts be troubled; He was coming back (John 14) but not until after their miserable lives of intense hatred, abuse, and martyrdom were long past! Some comfort, huh?
 
I also note that CFnet has determined that Full Preterism is a heresy.

Partial Preterism for no other reason than the reasons futurists use to refute all forms of Preterism for not being Full Preterists themselves.

When I have debated Preterism v Futurism and shown Partial preterists are in this dilemma this is usually when the throw things at me and stomp off to try to repair the damage the truth has done to their belief system.
CFnet can determine anything it wants. That doesn't make it right. The Scriptures proclaim what is correct.
 
What futurism appears to be inconsistent with is the point in history from which it is viewed. Until the modern State of Israel was reborn in 1948, many Christian pulpits taught it would never / could never happen. Oftentimes when a prophesy that we know that we know that we know is actually fulfilled... we are shocked by the way it is fulfilled because we never saw it coming and it is precisely the way the scriptures said it would be fulled. Like the island of Tyre prophecy. http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=1790
That nation formed in 1948 bears NO resemblance to OT Israel. OT Israel was destroyed in A.D. 70. They were never to be a people again. A.D. 70 was the fulfillment of Daniel--it was the time when "the power of the holy people" was "completed shattered." Furthermore, the stipulation for being brought back into the blessings of God and for Israel to be restored as a nation was ALWAYS repentance. When did modern-day Israel, created by the U.N., repent so as to reclaim God's favor? She did not. She is a secular nation that does not acknowledge the God of the Bible. Those "Jews" there are converts to Judaism. They have NO lineage to OT Israel whose records were destroyed by God's design. The true Israel of God is made up of all those of the faith of Abraham--of all nations.

Notice Hebrews 11 and what Abraham himself thought of the "land." He considered himself a stranger there. He did NOT look for a physical kingdom and land on the earth. He himself longed for a "better country," a "city whose builder and maker is God." Why do so many long for Abraham what he himself did not long?
 
CFnet can determine anything it wants. That doesn't make it right. The Scriptures proclaim what is correct.

You are replying to threads that are 7 years old and people who are no longer here to answer you.


Please start a thread if you wish to discuss the scriptures.


Please note: written in 2015

As of today, promoting the doctrine of Full Preterism is violation of the ToS. Every member is urged to stay current with our entire ToS, but contributors to this forum will need to be particularly aware of this change.


Please do not promote the doctrines of (full) Preterism.




JLB
 
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