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Ok, lets deal with "Why Paul".

Now, for the benefit of those who are not seminary trained and have not been taught how to "rightly divide the word" .....2nd Timothy 2:15...... lets start there.
The bible is not a novel....its not a bedtime story,.....its an instruction manual, its the word of life, its light for life, its the word of God and the words of Jesus, and its a road map to heaven, and its also a rule book as well as the most important thing, its the way you understand how God thinks, what God has done, what God is currently doing, and what He's going to do next.
However, to access its treasure and its wisdom we need some basic instruction.
This is very simple...the basic instruction that you have to have, is:

1st) You have to be born again, as the bible is spiritually discerned 1 Corinthians 2: 14 or its never going to be understood by you.
See, the bible is full of spiritual words, often given by the Holy Spirit, and you have to have the Spirit of God IN YOU, if you are going to understand spiritual words, and spiritual wisdom.
Remember that God is A Spirit, and not just "spirit" as many of the new version say....and why it has to be
" A Spirit" and not "spirit" is because there is an unholy spirit and there is A Holy Spirit.
So, if your bible says that "God is spirit", then your bible has generalized and concluded that all spirits are the same, and therefore equal, and that is not True.....So, check your bible version and maybe you can throw it away if need be, based on this one verse... John 4:24

2.) Now, here is what you have to understand, its critical that you understand this, or the New Testament will perhaps seem to contradict itself.
Its like this.....God deals with mankind differently at different times.
Let me say it again......From Genesis - Revelation.......this is the history of God dealing with man from Adam till God winds it all up ....And so, in all these generations God deals with man differently depending on what is called the >dispensation< you are dealing with.......This is to say....during what time period.
Consider that from Adam to the Cross, you had no written law till Moses showed up.
Then, you had another dispensation (time period) from Moses to Jesus.., "the law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by JESUS CHRIST"...John 1:17 .. and then you have where you are right now.....which is a dispensation called the "time of the Gentiles"......Luke 21:24.

Thats the dispensation (time period) that you are living in currently.
Now, do you see that there are different things going on, at different times, as God is dealing differently with mankind?
Do you notice that in our dispensation, we are not sacrificing Bulls and Doves on a alter of fire?
But at one time, before Jesus showed up, they were, as during that dispensation that was how GOD was dealing with His people.
Now, in the New Testament Blood Covenant of Jesus "time of the gentiles", God is dealing with them based on the Blood of Jesus.
See it?
It a different dispensation now......"time of the Gentiles".
And this will end, (but thats maybe for a later thread that we might discuss that a bit).

So, to keep it simple, there are rules for each dispensation, and this means, you dont try to take the rules from a dispensation you are not in, and apply them to your dispensation (time period).
Understand?
You are in the NEW COVENANT "time of the gentiles), which is Jesus shedding His holy blood for the sins of the world in the "time of the gentiles".
Now you have to get that, or you'll be stuck in Old Testament land trying to mix up the blood of Jesus with the 10 commandments, or worse .
Follow me?
So, to understand the NEW TESTAMENT, you have to study what is applicable during the time period that the "time of the Gentiles" is all about..
So, lets get specific...
You are in the "time of the gentiles", and no matter if you are jew or gentile, the rules for this dispensation, are the only ones in effect till this dispensation changes, and that would be the Tribulation time period .
As that is the >next< dispensation.
But, we are not there yet, so, we dont go to many verses found in Hebrews that are designed to explain the rules for that dispensation, and try to jam them incorrectly into the "time of the gentiles'.

So, specifically, you are in the "time of the gentiles" and you have one certain Apostle that Jesus chose after He ascended as your "go to" Apostle to get your revelation of the specific rules that deal with Salvation in the "time of the gentiles.....and this would be Paul, who is your "apostle to the gentiles".
No other apostle is specifically designated as the "apostle to the gentiles".... Romans 11:13.
Its Paul and Paul alone who JESUS ORIGINALLY CHOSE to reveal the Gospel of the Grace of God.
Jesus literally took Paul away by himself and taught him personally this Gospel that is to be preached in the "time of the Gentiles".
And this is why Paul tells you in Galatians 1:8 that any other Gospel being preached, other this HIS as exactly as HE teaches it and preaches it, is anathema ..is "cursed".
No other apostle says such a thing, and often you'll find the other apostles, like James, writing an epistle that is seeming to contradict what Paul writes in Colossians, Galatians, Ephesians, Titus, Timothy, and Romans, and the reason is, that this Epistle of James, was written before Paul had established the revelation of the Grace of God within the body of Christ.
Its a shame that we dont have the later epistles of James, tho its possible that James was killed before he had been taught by Paul, the revelation of the Grace of God.

Now the SUPER KEY to connecting all these dots im giving you is to understand one true thing.
The bible is a continuing revelation, a continuing "being revealed", a continuing transition from the beginning of Genesis to the end of the time that God has crated mankind to exist within.
So, you have to grasp that the bible is continually transitioning.....its never stops, it only lingers in time periods with rules that specifically apply during these different dispensations.
The transition we are in, right now, is from Jesus the Jew, coming to deal with the House of Israel until He was crucified, and then, once resurrected the "time of the gentiles" was literally established, and so the rules changed and out went the Jewish message to the "house of Israel, and in went the Savior of the World who shed His blood as, "God so loved the World".
So, that is the transition that you are living inside of, right now.
"time of the Gentiles".


So, to wind this little bible study up....
You have to be born again to understand the Spiritual words that make up the New Testament.
You have to "rightly divide the word", and that means you are to understand that the bible is not a novel, its a book of progressive revelation that explains how God deals with mankind differently during different times, often different millennia, and that the RULES CHANGE and you have to understand the differences, as this is "rightly dividing the word".
You are to realize that your "time period" is the "time of the Gentiles" and your specific apostle is Paul, who was chosen by Jesus.....Ephesians 3:2,3, 4.

""""""If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ).""""""

So, you are to "study to show yourself approved", and you are to establish your heart with Grace... Hebrews 13:9... and not with works or strange doctrine.
You are to study the >mercy of God<, as taught by Paul, in ... Romans 3- 10, Ephesians, Galatians, and Colossians..
You are to share this revelation of the Grace of God, "The Gospel", the "Good News", = that Jesus came into the world to offer Himself as the only way to reconcile you to the Father".... with the lost.
That is your ministry.



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I have to disagree with you right from the beginning.
John 4:24.
Whether is says "God is spirit" or "God is a spirit" makes no difference.
It does not say "God is a Holy Spirit".
For that matter, the Bible could say "God is spirit, and He is the Holy Spirit".
Since holy is not incorporated in this verse, it is wrong to assume as if it were included.
And then to tell people to throw their Bibles away if it does not read as your's reads is totally ludicrous.

For this reason, I have not read the rest of you OP.
 
I have to disagree with you right from the beginning.
John 4:24.
Whether is says "God is spirit" or "God is a spirit" makes no difference.
It does not say "God is a Holy Spirit".
For that matter, the Bible could say "God is spirit, and He is the Holy Spirit".
Since holy is not incorporated in this verse, it is wrong to assume as if it were included.
And then to tell people to throw their Bibles away if it does not read as your's reads is totally ludicrous.

For this reason, I have not read the rest of you OP.


Listen carefully, my good brother.
God Is a Holy Spirit or the "trinity" is a lie.
So, there is an unholy spirit, and that is the Devil., it is the "spirit of the Anti-Christ".
So, God is not the Anti-Christ spirit, He is the Holy Spirit, and if your bible does not separate God from the anti-christ spirit, then your bible version is wrong.
So, plz dont confuse the "anti-christ" spirit, with the Holy Spirit.
And this is why God is A Spirit, and not just any spirit.
He , God, the Holy Spirit, is a specific "Holy" spirit, and that is why He has to be designated as "A" Spirit.
This kinda really matters., and that is why your bible version has to have this right, or it has it wrong, and that is a fact.
 
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2.) Now, here is what you have to understand, its critical that you understand this, or the New Testament will perhaps seem to contradict itself.
Its like this.....God deals with mankind differently at different times.
No, I'm pretty sure you mean to say it DOES contradict itself, and that this thread is an attempt to explain why.
I know that this thread is intended to defend the hyper-grace doctrine presently gripping the Protestant Church.
 
Listen carefully, my good brother.
God Is a Holy Spirit or the "trinity" is a lie.
So, there is an unholy spirit, and that is the Devil., it is the "spirit of the Anti-Christ".
So, God is not the Anti-Christ spirit, He is the Holy Spirit, and if your bible does not separate God from the anti-christ spirit, then your bible version is wrong.
So, plz dont confuse the "anti-christ" spirit, with the Holy Spirit.
And this is why God is A Spirit, and not just any spirit.
He , God, the Holy Spirit, is a specific "Holy" spirit, and that is why He has to be designated as "A" Spirit.
This kinda really matters., and that is why your bible version has to have this right, or it has it wrong, and that is a fact.

I still disagree with you.
Satan is "a" spirit also.
The difference between them is not noted in John 4:24.
So your whole point of using this verse to back up what you believe is faulty.
I might be able to agree with what you are saying only if you can find an appropriate verse to back it up.

I kind of wonder if your whole purpose is to eliminate Bible translations that you don't like.

I have a problem with the KJV.
With my knowledge of the english language, this verse doesn't even make sense.
"God is a Spirit".
When Spirit is capitalized, it always refers to God himself.
But why the use of "a" rather than "the".
"God is the Spirit".
If you want to capitalize spirit, then "the" is more appropriate than "a".
Trying to figure out "God is a Spirit" doesn't even make sense to me.

So you're trying to tell me to throw my Bible away because it does not read as yours does, but the truth is, I'd throw any KJV away before I would ever throw mine away.

And lastly, I think it's a terrible thing to tell anyone to throw their Bible away.
I would never do that.
 
No, I'm pretty sure you mean to say it DOES contradict itself, and that this thread is an attempt to explain why.
I know that this thread is intended to defend the hyper-grace doctrine presently gripping the Protestant Church.
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My thread is not an attempt to defend anything.
You are just shuffling and spinning words around that are pretty meaningless to me, JB.
If you actually take 10 mins and read my Thread carefully, you'll discover that the thread has little to do with anything except offering any honest believer , who is not rusted shut in their theology, a genuine method to rightly divide the Word.
See, everything with God is progressive., even learning the Bible.
Now, i appreciate that you are satisfied that you know everything, and that you dont need anything i could provide, and im fine with that...however not everyone here is as certain as you are that there is nothing else they can learn, so, this Thread is for their benefit.
That why i wrote the thread and anyone who is sincere, can check it out, meditate on it, and apply it to their bible, to the New Testament, and get excellent results.
See, when God told us to "study to show ourselves approved", he didnt mean until we felt we already knew everything.
So, thats something you can consider.
 
If you want to see how they've been tampering with Gods word take a few and watch this presentation..


tob


Yes, you have to be very careful with bible versions, as some of them are more then just a "new version" they are actually a new revision pretending to be a "new" version.
What i do is go directly to 1 Timothy 3:16, and if "God manifested in the flesh" has been changed to "he" or "the one", where the word "GOD" has been removed from the verse in that bible, then i dont use that one.
 
I've never warmed up to the KJV Bible.
Maybe first because it reads like a foreign language to me.
Then the fact that they used terms like "easter", "calvary", and "the flight of the Phoenix" in it.
Then of course it first included the entire apocrypha.
This all told me it was never inspired to begin with.
And really, it's just a loose translation of the Latin Vulgate.

Now It doesn't bother me that people use this book, but I can't take anyone serious who thinks it's the true Word of God above all other translations.
 
I've never warmed up to the KJV Bible.
Maybe first because it reads like a foreign language to me.
Then the fact that they used terms like "easter", "calvary", and "the flight of the Phoenix" in it.
Then of course it first included the entire apocrypha.
This all told me it was never inspired to begin with.
And really, it's just a loose translation of the Latin Vulgate.

Now It doesn't bother me that people use this book, but I can't take anyone serious who thinks it's the true Word of God above all other translations.

Many people prefer the more common language "feel " of other bibles.
However, the KJV didnt come from a loose translation of the corrupted Vulgate, but rather it came from its own greek text, the Textus Receptus, that was generated from manuscripts that are central to the areas that Paul toured and taught.
So, with all that in mind and more.....the reason that i use the KVJ as my main bible source but not my only, is because of my theory that goes like this.:

Water that is frozen on the top of a mountain, is the purest.
When it melts and runs down the mountain, its dirtier water by the time it reaches the bottom.
So, the KVJ, being older, is closer to the time of the Apostles, so, i see this as purer in the same way that the water frozen on the top of the mountain is the same.
Ive also noted after studying many new versions, that they take out specific words that dull down the doctrines or remove them.
They will remove "Jesus" and replace him with "the one" or "him" or "he"
They will take out "God" and replace him with the word "him" or "he"
Sometimes the newer versions remove entire scriptures and not just words.
 
Here you go. Now you can get an older Bible than KJV.
This is really on top.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Geneva-Bible-Protestant-Reformation/dp/1598562126

Its not just about the age of the bible, but it is a consideration that matters to me.
Mainly tho, the KJV does not remove words that water down, dismiss, or even hide, the major doctrines of the Church.
The other thing, is that we are told that you "know them by their fruit".
So, the KJV is the bible used by all the people who were a part of all the great revivals in the entire world since 1611.
All your "major" preachers were called into service when listening to someone preach from a KJV.
Spurgeon, Wesley, Graham, Whitfield, Cartwright, etc, ......all the men who moved millions into the KOGod, were called into the ministry when listening to someone preach from a KJV.
This is "fruit", and no other "bible" has this deep deep history of bearing such Kingdom fruit.
 
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God is big enough to take care of His Word.. "His Word" can come through a Hallmark card..
There was 'fruit' long before 1600 ..

Oh absolutely.
However, no other bible has produced as much "fruit" as the KJV.
Its the #1 best selling book ever created.
Its the gold standard that you can use to scripture reference against any other bible version.
Here is something else about the KJV that is different then any other bible...
It has a "crown stamp", and this means that its free to reproduce., in other words, there is no charge and no "copyright" law that will prevent anyone anywhere from reproducing it to sell or to give away.
Its the only truly FREE Bible that is freely produced by anyone anywhere, who wants to print it or any part of it.
Every other "NEW" bible version, has a copyright, and you cant print them for free, you have to pay the people that produced it some $$$$$$$$ MONEY $$$$$$, if you want to use "their" bible.
See, this is the reason for all the new versions being created....is to make MONEY by telling you that their bible is "better, easier to understand"...blah, blah, blah, HYPE.
However the KJV was originally created to be given away for FREE to everyone.
So, i think the word of God was supposed to be FREE, and the KJV is the only freely reproduced bible that exists for over 400 years now.
Anyone can print the KJV., as there is no copyright.
 
Oh absolutely.
However, no other bible has produced as much "fruit" as the KJV.
Its the #1 best selling book ever created.
Its the gold standard that you can use to scripture reference against any other bible version.
Here is something else about the KJV that is different then any other bible...
It has a "crown stamp", and this means that its free to reproduce., in other words, there is no charge and no "copyright" law that will prevent anyone anywhere from reproducing it to sell or to give away.
Its the only truly FREE Bible that is freely produced by anyone anywhere, who wants to print it or any part of it.
Every other "NEW" bible version, has a copyright, and you cant print them for free, you have to pay the people that produced it some $$$$$$$$ MONEY $$$$$$, if you want to use "their" bible.
See, this is the reason for all the new versions being created....is to make MONEY by telling you that their bible is "better, easier to understand"...blah, blah, blah, HYPE.
However the KJV was originally created to be given away for FREE to everyone.
So, i think the word of God was supposed to be FREE, and the KJV is the only freely reproduced bible that exists for over 400 years now.
Anyone can print the KJV., as there is no copyright.

Imagine, some guy named James taking all the glory for the Bible instead of God.
 
The non-Pauline books aren't very friendly to the hyper-grace movement. Thus the need to erroneously divide them away from what Paul taught.


Your're prolly okay with the KRV Bible, right?
Well, that's different.
It's like comparing apples and oranges.
 
KJB is my favorite It is not the Word of God because it is King James... Those folks who came before had the Word... What happenes to KJ when it is translated into some language not english? it is still King James.. :shrug
 
KJB is my favorite It is not the Word of God because it is King James... Those folks who came before had the Word... What happenes to KJ when it is translated into some language not english? it is still King James.. :shrug

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And you're my favorite.
 
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