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Too many people who call themselves Christian only remember verses where most convenient for them to defend their life style but if you read Word of God from cover to cover, your idea will change.
Here is verses where God said HE is against animal sacrifice.

"Your burnt offering are NOT acceptable, nor your sacrifice pleasing to me". (Jer 6:20)

"They love sacrifice; they sacrifice flesh and eat it; but the Lord has no delight in them." (Hos 8:13)

"I hate, I despise your feasts......... Even though you offer me your burnt offerings and cereal offerings, I will not accept them, and the peace offerings of your fatted beasts I will not look upon...But let justice roll down like wters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing
 
Ex. 20:24 Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you.

Ex. 29:36 Sacrifice a bull each day as a sin offering to make atonement.

Ex. 29:38 This is what you are to offer on the altar regularly each day: two lambs a year old

What about these verses, as well as the multitude of those found throughout the Levitical Law? Why didn't you also mention that those examples you gave above were referring to times when Israel had turned their backs on God. They were still offering sacrifices, but were living pagan lifestyles. That is why their sacrifices were meaningless to God. It's amazing what you learn when you keep a verse IN CONTEXT.
 
element80, why should I repeat verses that flesh eaters posted over and over to defend their life style?
We all know those verses already and we all did read thousands of times on Christian forums.
 
  • Genesis 3:21. Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.[/*:m:6c3e1]

  • Genesis 22:7. And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
    8. And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.[/*:m:6c3e1]
 
First Violet said
Too many people who call themselves Christian only remember verses where most convenient for them to defend their life style but if you read Word of God from cover to cover, your idea will change.
And in the same thread Violets said
element80, why should I repeat verses that flesh eaters posted over and over to defend their life style?
We all know those verses already and we all did read thousands of times on Christian forums.

Is anyone else seeing a problem? Isn't vegatarianism a lifestyle? Are all biblical verses meant to be taken in context of the entire bible?

Again I'm OK with your choice to be vegetarian, but you don't question anyone elses relationship to God because of an extrodinarily one sided out of context interpretation of the bible, that will not be OK.
 
violet7 said:
Too many people who call themselves Christian only remember verses where most convenient for them to defend their life style but if you read Word of God from cover to cover, your idea will change.
Violet, take your own advice. My brother is a vegan and I respect his position. However, you are simply taking verses which speak of God's displeasure about certain kinds of meat usage, and quoting them out of context and twisting them to make it as though God condemns all meat. This is blatantly and obviously false to anyone who has read the entire Bible. You are not a Christian---my vegan brother is, and is much more familiar with the Bible than you. He agrees with me that the God of the Bible in no way condemns a general omnivorous lifestyle. However, he argues to me that the vegan lifestyle is morally superior to the omnivorous lifestyle, and his arguments do have some merit. You aren't going to get anywhere trying to convince Christians that God condemns eating meat, because it's a lie, and all will know it. I suggest you admit that it is permissable for a moral Christian to eat meat, but try to argue that just because Christians can do something doesn't mean they should.
 
violet7 said:
element80, why should I repeat verses that flesh eaters posted over and over to defend their life style?
We all know those verses already and we all did read thousands of times on Christian forums.

In your case, you shouldn't repeat them, because they would be very damaging to your argument. However, you cannot compartmentalize certain verses, and deny all the ones that are counter to your views.

I've also pointed out to you at least twice that this argument shouldn't even be happening. Infact, the only reason I'm bothering to continue it, is because you are twisting scripture to argue your point. Go read Romans 14 a couple more times. It deals with disputable matters, specifically the ones of eating meat and observing the sabbath on a certain day. I'd like to highlight verse 22, which says "So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God..."
 
violet7 said:
...only remember verses where most convenient for them to defend their life style

Well the reality violet7 is you do the same thing. So far all you have done is twist scripture, take scripture out of context, and judge others. I personally have a great deal of respect for all of God's creatures. You will be in my prayers.
 
About vegetarians. I take it most here know that mankind was vegetarian until Noah. Or, if they did eat flesh, that was not of Noah's righteous line (God knows what the perverted generations of people did or ate). However, after the flood, God said to Noah, "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." (Genesis 9:3)

At this point, eating flesh was allowed except for certain kinds specified in the Law of Moses.

Technically, the "clean" foods are better for you, and I know that one should not eat pork or lobster, etc for those reasons. But unlike various folks who believe this way, I will not make it a salvation issue because the meats that one partook was a physical symbol of clean vs. idolatrous. It was a representation of the spiritual. No... you will not go to hell for eating a spider or a rat, but maybe such a person's a little weird.
 
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