Wind power

[Shekinahglory]

I have been thinking about wind power and I found that over the last decade it is one of the fastest growing sources of power at s around 25% per year. As I have driven I come across these huge ugly prehistoric looking wind turbines and they are not alone or isolated any longer. It occurred to me that in Revelation 7 in what seems to be out of place for what is taking place, the Faithful Remnant, the four angels have cutoff all wind. As the wind energy portion of the world grows and other sources diminish I wonder what impact this will have on all the things men expect from its, even temporary, reduction. Coal, petroleum, water generation are all seeming to show they are or will be reduced greatly. Where do you see how much of a problem loss of wind wii cause?

 

[Luminous_Rose]

How would a loss of wind occur? Wind is wind...it is in the weather that God sends.

I guess I could see coal, petroleum, or water running low, but even in the end timea there will be water, but a great amount of it will become tainted, undrinkable, and unlivable for marine life. Although, without amy resource we would have to adjust somehow. It would put a dent im daily life and how we do things, but could be done. As long as we have food, clean water, and shelter, we can survive.

 

[Shekinahglory]

How would a loss of wind occur? Wind is wind...it is in the weather that God sends.

I guess I could see coal, petroleum, or water running low, but even in the end timea there will be water, but a great amount of it will become tainted, undrinkable, and unlivable for marine life. Although, without amy resource we would have to adjust somehow. It would put a dent im daily life and how we do things, but could be done. As long as we have food, clean water, and shelter, we can survive.

Revelation 7 angels holding it not even a breeze

 

[Luminous_Rose]

Revelation 7 angels holding it not even a breeze

Okay, they hold the wind. It isn't that we use it so much we run out lol. Without wind in general, I would think major temperature shifts would happen and the heat would be uneven and more concentrated in spots. Wind energy would no longer be a thing so it would be difficult for those thst rely on it. Drought happens or becomes more severe. Dehydration would become a quicker killer. No more travel by sea. Sounds like a slow death for humans and animals.

 

[stovebolts]

Last time I drove across Wa state I was amazed at how many turbines there were, especially through the gorge and along the Columbia River.

The wind is created by fluctuations in temperature and we will always have that as the earth rotates. However, wind patterns can shift as we've seen through the advent of skyscrapers as large cities with skyscrapers are similar to putting a huge mountain there.

I don't think wind turbines are going to stop the wind and any wind pattern change would be pretty nominal.

 

[JohnDB]

As we were driving across Austria there were several wind farms we seen.
But we were told that they weren't connected to the grid. It cost too much so the project was abandoned. Now they just sit there.

Farms, where there are large expanses without power, can effectively use wind power to pump water for crops and cattle work fairly well.
But again, it's cheaper to hook them up to available power grid if it's available. Doesn't mean that connection to the grid is feasible or practical.
Those windmills are expensive to purchase or build. And for some reason a pain to maintain. Engaging the drive or disengaging the drive on them is always a manual process. Then the belts go bad, gears break, tines get snapped bearings go bad....all that exposure to the sun and weather.

Dollar per dollar, coal fired Electrical generation is still cheaper for the megawatts produced. So are dams.

 

[stovebolts]

Dollar per dollar, coal fired Electrical generation is still cheaper for the megawatts produced. So are dams.

Coal is dying because natural gas is so much cheaper. Growing up in Washington State, hydroelectric is everywhere and dominates the west coast. I didn't understand coal power until I moved back east.

As far as dead turbines, I've been told those issues mainly affected the first generation wind turbines and modern turbines don't have those same issues.

Bringing this back to the OP, if the earth ever looses its wind, it's a sign of a dead planet. If we look at Genesis and the Hebrew word for wind, it's the same word for spirit in the same way it's greek counterpart pneuma is used in John 3. The OT picture of the earth is that it is alive, and it's breathing.

I'm not keen on the passage in revelation spoken about earlier, but if the wind ceases, it' conjures a picture in my mind that Gods Spirit has been removed, and the earth has died, or is about to die.

What's the first thing a living creature does when it's born? It takes a breath. What's the last thing a living creature does before it dies? It takes it's last breath.

The earth is alive, as is Gods Spirit upon it.

 

[Shekinahglory]

Dollar per dollar, coal fired Electrical generation is still cheaper for the megawatts produced. So are dams.

The point I am trying to make and quite inelegantly, hey your stuck with me I am your cross to bear folks , is that here is a prophecy given to us that in all likelihood could never have foretold of the one industry that has come into existence and that the Lord will cripple simply by having the angels hold the winds. This form of energy is the fastest growing segment of this country and the rest of the developed worlds answer to that need. No mention of wind terminals just what seems an aside that is directly related to that fastest growing segment in our energy needs. Just intrigues me.

I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. Rev. 7: 1

 

[Shekinahglory]

Bringing this back to the OP, if the earth ever looses its wind, it's a sign of a dead planet. If we look at Genesis and the Hebrew word for wind, it's the same word for spirit in the same way it's greek counterpart pneuma is used in John 3. The OT picture of the earth is that it is alive, and it's breathing.

I'm not keen on the passage in revelation spoken about earlier, but if the wind ceases, it' conjures a picture in my mind that Gods Spirit has been removed, and the earth has died, or is about to die.

What's the first thing a living creature does when it's born? It takes a breath. What's the last thing a living creature does before it dies? It takes it's last breath.

The earth is alive, as is Gods Spirit upon it.

Wonderful way to put into words that I messily do in my own posts. The teaching and the illustrations, IMHO, are not only right on the money but shows you someone who can write eloquently as opposed to me. But as long as I am at all coherent and available to write and discuss you would have to tie me up and lock me away. What joy it is to go through the teachings, discussion and fellowship as His Body. I took a step back looking at this site and its sheep gathered here with His shepherds over us. I am absolutely amazed at all the glory and honor that pours into and then out of this for the entire world to hear the great Good News" of Salvation through the Lamb of God Jesus Christ. it has been for Mike and I along with the Bible the table the Lord has presented to us in the presence of our enemies, disease and all the other forms those enemies come in. The banquet is served and all of have been called to come and feast. Taste for He is good!

 

[JohnDB]

The point I am trying to make and quite inelegantly, hey your stuck with me I am your cross to bear folks , is that here is a prophecy given to us that in all likelihood could never have foretold of the one industry that has come into existence and that the Lord will cripple simply by having the angels hold the winds. This form of energy is the fastest growing segment of this country and the rest of the developed worlds answer to that need. No mention of wind terminals just what seems an aside that is directly related to that fastest growing segment in our energy needs. Just intrigues me.

I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. Rev. 7: 1

Well,
Many people consider "wind" a metaphoric reference to no political or spiritual changes occurring.
I'm not saying that this is right or wrong...but that my explanation is the most common beliefs. Yours is definitely different from theirs.

 

[stovebolts]

Well,
Many people consider "wind" a metaphoric reference to no political or spiritual changes occurring.
I'm not saying that this is right or wrong...but that my explanation is the most common beliefs. Yours is definitely different from theirs.

Strongs 7307. ruwach
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

Genesis 8:1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;

Strongs 4151. pneuma
John 3:8 The pneuma bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the pneuma.

 

[JohnDB]

Coal is dying because natural gas is so much cheaper. Growing up in Washington State, hydroelectric is everywhere and dominates the west coast. I didn't understand coal power until I moved back east.

As far as dead turbines, I've been told those issues mainly affected the first generation wind turbines and modern turbines don't have those same issues.

Actually the natural gas being cheaper is artificial due to taxes and EPA requirements. If it weren't for the extra scrubbers, carbon footprint tax, and lack of federal funds given to states for non-compliance it would be cheaper. As it is natural gas is cheaper for a variety of reasons which has nothing to do with direct costs.
Garbage used to be burned in city incinerators for live steam for heating and power generation (along with natural gas). Then the EPA banned this practice even though there were the required filters and scrubbers removing toxic pollutants from the fumes.

Again the price for natural gas skyrocketed.
Which in turn stressed landfills, plastics industry, and hotels and caterers. (Sterno is made from natural gas...plastics are also made from natural gas which in turn effects all segments of the food industry from meats to vegetables and fruits. )

And it isn't the turbines themselves that, where maintenance heavy, were the expensive part but the actual connection to the power grid that is expensive. Phasing, filtering, and switching has to be installed. That stuff is expensive and makes the turbines only becomes affordable with Government subsidies. (Your tax dollars) And even then the power is still sold to you.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Wonderful way to put into words that I messily do in my own posts. The teaching and the illustrations, IMHO, are not only right on the money but shows you someone who can write eloquently as opposed to me. But as long as I am at all coherent and available to write and discuss you would have to tie me up and lock me away. What joy it is to go through the teachings, discussion and fellowship as His Body. I took a step back looking at this site and its sheep gathered here with His shepherds over us. I am absolutely amazed at all the glory and honor that pours into and then out of this for the entire world to hear the great Good News" of Salvation through the Lamb of God Jesus Christ. it has been for Mike and I along with the Bible the table the Lord has presented to us in the presence of our enemies, disease and all the other forms those enemies come in. The banquet is served and all of have been called to come and feast. Taste for He is good!

The other thing I found interesting is that the Bible says there will be no day or night. That the Lord will provide the light as if it were evening in the cool of the day. Does this mean we will be taken out of orbit? Be completely at the control and mercy of our Lord in a visible way made aware by all who inhabit the Earth? Will a lack of Sun reduce winds? Will Earth's rotation cease as well? All will truly know God and the Earth made truly His Son's footstool?

 

[JohnDB]

The other thing I found interesting is that the Bible says there will be no day or night. That the Lord will provide the light as if it were evening in the cool of the day. Does this mean we will be taken out of orbit? Be completely at the control and mercy of our Lord in a visible way made aware by all who inhabit the Earth? Will a lack of Sun reduce winds? Will Earth's rotation cease as well? All will truly know God and the Earth made truly His Son's footstool?

Meaning that this "Heaven" will not be anything like what we have experience with in this world.

 

[stovebolts]

Garbage used to be burned in city incinerators for live steam for heating and power generation (along with natural gas). Then the EPA banned this practice even though there were the required filters and scrubbers removing toxic pollutants from the fumes.

Spokane Wa has one of the first incinerators in the nation and is still in use today.

Waste to Energy Plant

The Waste to Energy Facility is part of our community's overall comprehensive solid waste system that encourages recycling and waste reduction.

my.spokanecity.org

They took of their operating costs, but it's expensive. They sale 6 million in electricity, but they still operate at a huge loss which the taxpayers heavily

That stuff is expensive and makes the turbines only becomes affordable with Government subsidies. (Your tax dollars) And even then the power is still sold to you.

And like the incinerators, wind is heavily subsidized.

As far as Natural Gas, it's just cheaper than coal. President Trump tried to save the coal industry, but it just can't compete with natural gas.

 

[daninthelionsden]

My son keeps mulling over what he wants to do with his life. I told him "Well, if you were the one who figures out how to harness and store lightning bolts, you'll be the richest man on Earth."

 

[Shekinahglory]

My son keeps mulling over what he wants to do with his life. I told him "Well, if you were the one who figures out how to harness and store lightning bolts, you'll be the richest man on Earth."

if I might ask? I have two daughters, 4 grands 3 girls one boy and 1 great grandson. Hope he has inherited your sense of humor and if he does harness can I get on the list?

 

[jasonc]

Cng,per amount of units is,less then efficient then coal.heating coal to produce steam,or cng.in order of efficiency,coal,cng,nuke .

 

[Edward]

there will be water, but a great amount of it will become tainted, undrinkable, and unlivable for marine life.

Birds wont drink bad water. Follow the birds to find water.

Not a single bird, a flock. Birds go to water sources.

 

[Luminous_Rose]

Birds wont drink bad water. Follow the birds to find water.

Not a single bird, a flock. Birds go to water sources.

Yes, most animals will seek out water.

Just was referring to Revelation and how water will become unusable (3rd trumpet/3rd bowl).