Serious and Honest Question, Please answer as such

[Rookie]

There have been a lot of times in my walk of faith that I wonder, if I was somehow convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christianity was a hoax, and there is no God (while doing so is in all ways considered impossible, due to my personal experience/relationship with God and impenetrable reality and truth of Christianity which can't be fallible). But I wonder that if that impossibility hypothetically became true, by some grandiose means, would I feel sad? Happy? Free? Chained? A burden lifted? A joy taken? Would I still keep the moral principles or will I go on a flesh-indulging spree?

The times I have gotten close to becoming an atheist were not because of logical/evidence based reasoning. Like the facts were too stacked against God. As even in my sinful and unrenewed mind, I was too intellectually prideful to logically accept atheism or anything outside of Christianity. The thing that drew me away was the perceived "freedom" to do whatever I wanted to do without the fear of hell (which admittedly, was the last line of defense in times where I 'considered my options' faith-wise). I could finally chase all my desires, sinful and non-sinful, without worrying about filtering it through the unchanging will of a Divine force that I was powerless against.
Vs my mom for example, she's in the place with her faith that if that impossibility were to happen, she would still faithfully follow Christianity, because a follower of Christ is the person she wants to be regardless.

While to Gods glory, I'm here to stay with Jesus in spite of my struggles, doubts, etc. Every now and then I do daydream, (and I daydream about a LOT of different hypotheticals in life, from video games, to existential crisis, to my own anime show lol).

So my question is, and all are welcomed to answer but I'm a little more curious to see what the seasoned saints have to say about this, if the impossible was done and you were hypothetically convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus didn't exist and Christianity is a hoax and atheists are right, what would your response and lifestyle be after that?

 

[Hidden In Him]

There have been a lot of times in my walk of faith that I wonder, if I was somehow convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christianity was a hoax, and there is no God (while doing so is in all ways considered; impossible, due to my personal experience/relationship with God and impenetrable reality and truth of Christianity which can't be fallible). But I wonder that if that impossibility hypothetically became true, by some grandiose means, would I feel sad? Happy? Free? Chained? A burden lifted? A joy taken? Would I still keep the moral principles or will I go on a flesh-indulging spree?

The times I have gotten close to becoming an atheist were not because of logical/evidence based reasoning. Like the facts were too stacked against God. As even in my sinful and unrenewed mind, I was too intellectually prideful to logically accept atheism or anything outside of Christianity. The thing that drew me away was the perceived "freedom" to do whatever I wanted to do without the fear of hell (which admittedly, was the last line of defense in times where I 'considered my options' faith-wise). I could finally chase all my desires, sinful and non-sinful, without worrying about filtering it through the unchanging will of a Divine force that I was powerless against.
Vs my mom for example, she's in the place with her faith that if that impossibility were to happen, she would still faithfully follow Christianity, because a follower of Christ is the person she wants to be regardless.

While to Gods glory, I'm here to stay with Jesus in spite of my struggles, doubts, etc. Every now and then I do daydream, (and I daydream about a LOT of different hypotheticals in life, from video games, to existential crisis, to my own anime show lol).

So my question is, and all are welcomed to answer but I'm a little more curious to see what the seasoned saints have to say about this, if the impossible was done and you were hypothetically convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus didn't exist and Christianity is a hoax and atheists are right, what would your response and lifestyle be after that?

Thoughtful thread, Soldiers, and welcome back.

As a seasoned Christian of 40 years, my answer here would be as follows: I'm 60, so I'm no longer in a place of valuing running off to pursue my lusts and whatnot. Those days are gone. And the Lord blessed me with a wonderful wife whose company I thoroughly enjoy every day. So I am completely content as far as that is concerned, and nothing much would change about my personal world.

On a spiritual level, however, I'm an interpreter of dreams, and I have seen too many of them be confirmed to doubt that someone or something is supernaturally behind it all. So if I became convinced God were not real and not behind it all, I would immediately start trying to figure out who was.

Might I steal a little more to make ends meet if I knew there were no repercussions? I would likely cut some corners, yes. But morally I don't think I'd change too much there either. I would still care for my friends and seek to be a blessing to others (in fact, I'd probably become Buddhist or something, LoL), because one of the reasons I turned to Christianity to start with 40 years ago was the fact that in reading the Bible for the first time, the thought dawned on me how much better the world would be if everybody lived by this book, and I still believe that to this day.

Blessings in Christ and thank you for posting. I'd be curious to see what other responses you get.
- H

 

[Free]

So my question is, and all are welcomed to answer but I'm a little more curious to see what the seasoned saints have to say about this, if the impossible was done and you were hypothetically convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus didn't exist and Christianity is a hoax and atheists are right, what would your response and lifestyle be after that?

Welcome back! Hypothetically speaking, my lifestyle would certainly change (how could it not?), but I do not know how or to what extent.

 

[Who Me]

I wonder, if I was somehow convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christianity was a hoax

What ' somehow ' convinced you Christianity is a hoax?

Have you read articles that show the truth behind Christianity?

Can you begin to explain how out of nothing everything came?

Have you asked aithiest how they account for the evil in the world, as there is no God?

The church invented a fraud, really try :-https://winteryknight.com/2025/06/25/did-the-early-church-invent-the-divinity-of-jesus-over-a-long-period-of-time-10/
The article shows just how many parts of the NT were written by eye witnesses in the lifetime of many other witnesses.

You ask about proving Christianity is false. Well the thing is Christianity can be proven to be false, but no one has managed it.
How?
Demonstrate, with evidence that Jesus never rose from the dead.

For me until someone does I will believe and follow Jesus, after all look at the evil non Christian regimes have done.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

There have been a lot of times in my walk of faith that I wonder, if I was somehow convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christianity was a hoax, and there is no God (while doing so is in all ways considered impossible, due to my personal experience/relationship with God and impenetrable reality and truth of Christianity which can't be fallible). But I wonder that if that impossibility hypothetically became true, by some grandiose means, would I feel sad? Happy? Free? Chained? A burden lifted? A joy taken? Would I still keep the moral principles or will I go on a flesh-indulging spree?

The times I have gotten close to becoming an atheist were not because of logical/evidence based reasoning. Like the facts were too stacked against God. As even in my sinful and unrenewed mind, I was too intellectually prideful to logically accept atheism or anything outside of Christianity. The thing that drew me away was the perceived "freedom" to do whatever I wanted to do without the fear of hell (which admittedly, was the last line of defense in times where I 'considered my options' faith-wise). I could finally chase all my desires, sinful and non-sinful, without worrying about filtering it through the unchanging will of a Divine force that I was powerless against.
Vs my mom for example, she's in the place with her faith that if that impossibility were to happen, she would still faithfully follow Christianity, because a follower of Christ is the person she wants to be regardless.

While to Gods glory, I'm here to stay with Jesus in spite of my struggles, doubts, etc. Every now and then I do daydream, (and I daydream about a LOT of different hypotheticals in life, from video games, to existential crisis, to my own anime show lol).

So my question is, and all are welcomed to answer but I'm a little more curious to see what the seasoned saints have to say about this, if the impossible was done and you were hypothetically convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus didn't exist and Christianity is a hoax and atheists are right, what would your response and lifestyle be after that?

Hello Rookie, how are you all? We are well, taking His yoke upon ourselves is the greatest task in my knowing Him for myself, nothing shall separate us from the love of Christ.

Love, And Debbie

 

[Rookie]

Just to clarify, I'm not saying that I have renounced my Christianity or that I don't believe in Jesus anymore, I'm asking a completely hypothetical situation. Example to how if I asked "if 1+1 changed to 3 how would you react"? I know that one plus one can never equal three but I am just curious on a hypothetical reaction if it were true

Hello Rookie, how are you all? We are well, taking His yoke upon ourselves is the greatest task in my knowing Him for myself, nothing shall separate us from the love of Christ.

Love, And Debbie

What ' somehow ' convinced you Christianity is a hoax?

Have you read articles that show the truth behind Christianity?

Can you begin to explain how out of nothing everything came?

Have you asked aithiest how they account for the evil in the world, as there is no God?

The church invented a fraud, really try :-https://winteryknight.com/2025/06/25/did-the-early-church-invent-the-divinity-of-jesus-over-a-long-period-of-time-10/
The article shows just how many parts of the NT were written by eye witnesses in the lifetime of many other witnesses.

You ask about proving Christianity is false. Well the thing is Christianity can be proven to be false, but no one has managed it.
How?
Demonstrate, with evidence that Jesus never rose from the dead.

For me until someone does I will believe and foll Jesus, after all look at the evil non Christian regiems have done.

 

[Hidden In Him]

The thing that drew me away was the perceived "freedom" to do whatever I wanted to do without the fear of hell (which admittedly, was the last line of defense in times where I 'considered my options' faith-wise). I could finally chase all my desires, sinful and non-sinful, without worrying about filtering it through the unchanging will of a Divine force that I was powerless against.

This is an open and honest response, and were I younger I might have said the same thing. And this is why I think the teaching on Hell is so important, whether anyone likes it or not. It is the knowledge that terrible things are coming to those who give themselves over to the darkness and the things of the flesh that serves as the primary deterrent against the Western world having completely turned to chaos millennia ago. It is what I think scripture was talking about what it said, "Raise a child up in the fear of the Lord, and when he is older he will not depart from it." Young men and women get older, and suddenly they are no longer children any more. Their flesh is in full vigor, and they can do whatever they want to if they simply forsake the God of their childhood. So the question at that point is, what were they taught? Were they taught when they were younger that Hell was real? That God is real, and revealer of secrets and the intents of men's hearts? If not, they will turn, and assume they can return to their parents religion when they are old and have had their fun. Many never make it that far, because they never come back.

 

[Rookie]

This is an open and honest response, and were I younger I might have said the same thing. And this is why I think the teaching on Hell is so important, whether anyone likes it or not. It is the knowledge that terrible things are coming to those who give themselves over to the darkness and the things of the flesh that serves as the primary deterrent against the Western world having completely turned to chaos millennia ago. It is what I think scripture was talking about what it said, "Raise a child up in the fear of the Lord, and when he is older he will not depart from it." Young men and women get older, and suddenly they are no longer children any more. Their flesh is in full vigor, and they can do whatever they want to if they simply forsake the God of their childhood. So the question at that point is, what were they taught? Were they taught when they were younger that Hell was real? That God is real, and revealer of secrets and the intents of men's hearts? If not, they will turn, and assume they can return to their parents religion when they are old and have had their fun. Many never make it that far, because they never come back.

True, that verse was said a lot growing up. Hell has fr been the ultimate thing that has kept me from jumping the cliff of immorality. I know eventually Gods love should motivate me but right at this moment I have not reached that yet. Not even a full 120 years of sin isn't worth 100 and 10,000, and 10,000,000,000,000 and forevers worth of punishment.

I just recognized that my age also figures into that as it could be perceived that I haven't even reached my "prime" yet (whatever that is), and the height of immorality surrounds my age group.

It's funny thinking about it cuz some of us would have major life changes (like me) in this hypothetical. But some of us would still be "good and wonderful" people to the worlds standards but still would "cut corners".

 

[Hidden In Him]

True, that verse was said a lot growing up. Hell has fr been the ultimate thing that has kept me from jumping the cliff of immorality. I know eventually Gods love should motivate me but right at this moment I have not reached that yet. Not even a full 120 years of sin isn't worth 100 and 10,000, and 10,000,000,000,000 and forevers worth of punishment.

I've heard it said that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, but the love of God is its ultimate destination, and I think that's the truth.

 

[hawkman]

So my question is, and all are welcomed to answer but I'm a little more curious to see what the seasoned saints have to say about this, if the impossible was done and you were hypothetically convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus didn't exist and Christianity is a hoax and atheists are right, what would your response and lifestyle be after that?

Conversion to Judaism .

 

[Hidden In Him]

Conversion to Judaism .

Seriously? I wouldn't think to do that... but it makes sense, doesn't it, LoL.

 

[GodsGrace]

There have been a lot of times in my walk of faith that I wonder, if I was somehow convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christianity was a hoax, and there is no God (while doing so is in all ways considered impossible, due to my personal experience/relationship with God and impenetrable reality and truth of Christianity which can't be fallible). But I wonder that if that impossibility hypothetically became true, by some grandiose means, would I feel sad? Happy? Free? Chained? A burden lifted? A joy taken? Would I still keep the moral principles or will I go on a flesh-indulging spree?

The times I have gotten close to becoming an atheist were not because of logical/evidence based reasoning. Like the facts were too stacked against God. As even in my sinful and unrenewed mind, I was too intellectually prideful to logically accept atheism or anything outside of Christianity. The thing that drew me away was the perceived "freedom" to do whatever I wanted to do without the fear of hell (which admittedly, was the last line of defense in times where I 'considered my options' faith-wise). I could finally chase all my desires, sinful and non-sinful, without worrying about filtering it through the unchanging will of a Divine force that I was powerless against.
Vs my mom for example, she's in the place with her faith that if that impossibility were to happen, she would still faithfully follow Christianity, because a follower of Christ is the person she wants to be regardless.

While to Gods glory, I'm here to stay with Jesus in spite of my struggles, doubts, etc. Every now and then I do daydream, (and I daydream about a LOT of different hypotheticals in life, from video games, to existential crisis, to my own anime show lol).

So my question is, and all are welcomed to answer but I'm a little more curious to see what the seasoned saints have to say about this, if the impossible was done and you were hypothetically convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus didn't exist and Christianity is a hoax and atheists are right, what would your response and lifestyle be after that?

I doubt it would change much.
Been a Christian for too long a time.
Following Jesus is not only good for ending up in heaven...
it helps us to live a good and healthy life right here right now.
Saves us a lot of grief....
Through thick and thin...God is always there so don't leave Him ever!

 

[Who Me]

I'm asking a completely hypothetical situation. Example to how if I asked "if 1+1 changed to 3 how would you react"?

I would want to see the evidence and if complicated have it explained.
But that is not the point, you've asked about Jesus not existing or being a hoax.
The evidence for Jesus is very clear and very firm, so why do you have thoughts about Christianity being false or a hoax?

 

[Fish153]

I think my reaction would be to have myself committed to a mental hospital. Because if I ever hit a place where I truly believed that all the FIENDS in history were simply just going to die like everyone else, with no repercussions, I'd know I must be "losing it". Imagine Hitler, or Pol Pot or Stalin just "dying" and going into the same darkness that the Apostle Paul would be assigned to- considering that logic. Even in common human "logic" we KNOW that cannot be true. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. That is a law of science. How can we believe that it does not apply in the spiritual realm also? So, I seriously think I would have myself locked up if I came to the conclusion that none of what I believe is real. I would have passed over into insanity.

 

[Rookie]

I would want to see the evidence and if complicated have it explained.
But that is not the point, you've asked about Jesus not existing or being a hoax.
The evidence for Jesus is very clear and very firm, so why do you have thoughts about Christianity being false or a hoax?

I think I made it quite clear what I meant. And as you can see everyone else got what I meant. I'm asking a hypothetical question. Like, "if you had super powers, what would it be". We all know we're never having super powers, so its just a hypothetical.

 

[Manasseh]

There have been a lot of times in my walk of faith that I wonder, if I was somehow convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christianity was a hoax, and there is no God (while doing so is in all ways considered impossible, due to my personal experience/relationship with God and impenetrable reality and truth of Christianity which can't be fallible). But I wonder that if that impossibility hypothetically became true, by some grandiose means, would I feel sad? Happy? Free? Chained? A burden lifted? A joy taken? Would I still keep the moral principles or will I go on a flesh-indulging spree?

The times I have gotten close to becoming an atheist were not because of logical/evidence based reasoning. Like the facts were too stacked against God. As even in my sinful and unrenewed mind, I was too intellectually prideful to logically accept atheism or anything outside of Christianity. The thing that drew me away was the perceived "freedom" to do whatever I wanted to do without the fear of hell (which admittedly, was the last line of defense in times where I 'considered my options' faith-wise). I could finally chase all my desires, sinful and non-sinful, without worrying about filtering it through the unchanging will of a Divine force that I was powerless against.
Vs my mom for example, she's in the place with her faith that if that impossibility were to happen, she would still faithfully follow Christianity, because a follower of Christ is the person she wants to be regardless.

While to Gods glory, I'm here to stay with Jesus in spite of my struggles, doubts, etc. Every now and then I do daydream, (and I daydream about a LOT of different hypotheticals in life, from video games, to existential crisis, to my own anime show lol).

So my question is, and all are welcomed to answer but I'm a little more curious to see what the seasoned saints have to say about this, if the impossible was done and you were hypothetically convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus didn't exist and Christianity is a hoax and atheists are right, what would your response and lifestyle be after that?

I'm gonna choose my words very carefully here.

I don't like hypotheticals, for me they fall into the category of "vain imaginations". But whatever, here goes.

There's a lot of evil in this world. A lot of really bad dudes doing a lot of really bad things, and to children no less. I would be handling some business, and taking great pleasure in doing so.

Fortunately, Christ is very real, and lives within me. And desires to fill my heart with love, even for my enemies.

 

[Manasseh]

I think I made it quite clear what I meant. And as you can see everyone else got what I meant. I'm asking a hypothetical question. Like, "if you had super powers, what would it be". We all know we're never having super powers, so its just a hypothetical.

"When we see Him we shall be like Him"
Never say never Bro.

 

[Rookie]

"When we see Him we shall be like Him"
Never say never Bro.

A real God Kamehameha and super speed coming right up

 

[Who Me]

If it

I think I made it quite clear what I meant. And as you can see everyone else got what I meant. I'm asking a hypothetical question. Like, "if you had super powers, what would it be". We all know we're never having super powers, so its just a hypothetical.

was clear I wouldn't be responding.

Some hyperthetical questions are pointless in a serious conversation and when introduced into a serious conversation they hide serious concerns held by that person.

You've wondered if Christianity is a hoax! ok, so what is your serious concern about Christrianity?

 

[WIP]

I'm gonna choose my words very carefully here.

I don't like hypotheticals, for me they fall into the category of "vain imaginations". But whatever, here goes.

There's a lot of evil in this world. A lot of really bad dudes doing a lot of really bad things, and to children no less. I would be handling some business, and taking great pleasure in doing so.

Fortunately, Christ is very real, and lives within me. And desires to fill my heart with love, even for my enemies.

Like you, I do not like hypotheticals. For one thing, it can lead to doubt and I want to move away from my doubts, especially when it comes to my faith.