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Try this Deborah by switching your kings for kingdoms and see what happens..

1. Egypt

2.Assyria

3. Babylon

4.Media-Persia

5.Greece

6.Rome

in between 6 the deadly head wound & 7 deadly head wound is healed..

7.Rome is brought back to life as the?

tob
 
Try this Deborah by switching your kings for kingdoms and see what happens..

1. Egypt

2.Assyria

3. Babylon

4.Media-Persia

5.Greece

6.Rome

in between 6 the deadly head wound & 7 deadly head wound is healed..

7.Rome is brought back to life as the?

tob

Sorry I didn't respond sooner. Just looked at my alerts just now.
Are you saying the RCC/Pope? That's the only thing I can think of, sorry.
 
Miss the point? I seem to disagree with most of your doctrine, and in your response you cite "Group #2 is no longer to be considered of God's people." Maybe I'm wrong, but when were "genetic unfaithful Jews who don't fear God(zealots - bad figs)" ever considered God's people? Possibly referencing a scripture would help.
Read Jeremiah 5-7 to see what the people of Judah were like to deserve God's punishment at the hands of Nebuchadnezzar. Jeremiah 24 is God contrasting the good and bad 'figs' of Judah, and promising that the bad would be cut off, while the remnant would be acknowledged. God was refining His people, and a similar pattern was fulfilled at the hands of the Romans.
 
The second illustration is that "Jerusalem is consistently identified as Babylon all through Revelation. Their judgments share similar characteristics." Again scripture in correct context might substantiate your statement. I will discontinue using your statement "Be specific. Generalizations are what feed sloppy interpretation."
reba has been dealing with this in another thread.
Revelation 14:8, 16:19, 17:5, 18:2, 18:10, 18:21 are all about the Jerusalem who killed her prophets and Messiah was no better than Babylon, and deserving a similar if not worse fate. Jerusalem is also condemned as being as bad as Egypt and Sodom.
 
Jerusalem is consistently identified as Babylon all through Revelation. Their judgments share similar characteristics.

Yes, I'd like to see that scripture also. Any scripture.

Actually, I'm starting to wonder if Babylon is Mecca.
 
reba has been dealing with this in another thread.
Revelation 14:8, 16:19, 17:5, 18:2, 18:10, 18:21 are all about the Jerusalem who killed her prophets and Messiah was no better than Babylon, and deserving a similar if not worse fate. Jerusalem is also condemned as being as bad as Egypt and Sodom.
And so as I see by your reply there is no longer a Babylon (Jerusalem)? There are no unbelieving Jews because of Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

What happened to the genetic faithful Jews who fear God after Christ came and died for the world, because there was certainly no redeeming quality to their temple worship, and thus they had to be lost too? Of course these cannot be the people told to come out of her; God's people of Rev 18:4.

Looking back just a bit at Rev 18:3, can you name or explain the "all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies." I don't remember reading of American Indians deriving benefit of this. Maybe our trading of beads, and wampum excelled in some undiscovered manner. Let's see, Europe came years later and screwed that up we could possibly assign to wrath against Babylon; I just don't remember this being in 70 AD. How kemosabe, and peace from all the dastardly ills of Jerusalem huh?
:grumpy
 
reba has been dealing with this in another thread.
Revelation 14:8, 16:19, 17:5, 18:2, 18:10, 18:21 are all about the Jerusalem who killed her prophets and Messiah was no better than Babylon, and deserving a similar if not worse fate. Jerusalem is also condemned as being as bad as Egypt and Sodom.

May, 1948

Jerusalem is the city of the great King.
 
Yes, I'd like to see that scripture also. Any scripture.

Actually, I'm starting to wonder if Babylon is Mecca.

That sounds so strange to me. What have the Arabs ever had to do with killing the Prophets of Israel or the most important prophet our Lord?

How is it that the Muslims give higher regard to Jesus than the unbelieving Jews or gentiles (world) do?
They at least believe He was a prophet sent by God and if I remember correctly they even believe that He is coming back.
 
Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon (Jerusalem?) be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Oh no, maybe there was a mistake? Now they’re going to rebuild it? It says that right in scripture don’t it?

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem (Babylon huh?), coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
 
Sorry folks, i am still learning this system...it leaves a note mods can see when posts are deleted but members can not ....most of the deleted post from a page back were deleted because they are replys to deleted posts.
 
That sounds so strange to me. What have the Arabs ever had to do with killing the Prophets of Israel or the most important prophet our Lord?

How is it that the Muslims give higher regard to Jesus than the unbelieving Jews or gentiles (world) do?
They at least believe He was a prophet sent by God and if I remember correctly they even believe that He is coming back.

The Arabs and Arabia is actually mentioned quite a few times in scriptures. Let me put some of these scriptures together for you so it may make somewhat more sense to you. I'm just waking up so give me awhile. I know that something this new as a thought has never been mentioned so it may indeed sound quite strange at first! ;)

It can't be Rome or New York because the bible clearly says that it is in the desert by the sea. You see where Mecca is on the map? Right by the Red Sea! I do believe this all about Islam. See their flag? A Crescent and a Star. There's more to it though. I'll post scriptures in awhile when I've had more coffee and wake up.
 
And so as I see by your reply there is no longer a Babylon (Jerusalem)? There are no unbelieving Jews because of Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

What happened to the genetic faithful Jews who fear God after Christ came and died for the world, because there was certainly no redeeming quality to their temple worship, and thus they had to be lost too? Of course these cannot be the people told to come out of her; God's people of Rev 18:4.

Looking back just a bit at Rev 18:3, can you name or explain the "all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies." I don't remember reading of American Indians deriving benefit of this. Maybe our trading of beads, and wampum excelled in some undiscovered manner. Let's see, Europe came years later and screwed that up we could possibly assign to wrath against Babylon; I just don't remember this being in 70 AD. How kemosabe, and peace from all the dastardly ills of Jerusalem huh?
:grumpy

Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
 
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Hi Sister Deborah, and does that mean that Jerusalem (Babylon) is to be rebuilt and the bride to be in its future as the heavenly Babylon (Jerusalem)? If Jerusalem is Babylon, can we just substitute or switch the names where we find them?

Of course you realize I don't believe that, but I thought I'd just throw it out here. :)
 
And so as I see by your reply there is no longer a Babylon (Jerusalem)? There are no unbelieving Jews because of Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

What happened to the genetic faithful Jews who fear God after Christ came and died for the world, because there was certainly no redeeming quality to their temple worship, and thus they had to be lost too? Of course these cannot be the people told to come out of her; God's people of Rev 18:4.

There is no longer the Temple Judaism which was derogatorily called Babylon in Revelation. It was thrown down most violently beginning with the Jewish/Roman wars. Just as during the Babylonian captivity, faithful Jews were forced to supplant their ideals of temple sacrifice with worship through repentance and prayer. They may be too foolish to recognize Jesus as their Messiah, but that doesn't mean they don't fear God, only that they don't really know Him. All Jews were called out of Jerusalem. Christian Jews heeded the call. Zealous Temple Jews were exterminated, while the remaining meek Jews were taken into captivity and dispersed as scapegoats.
 
Looking back just a bit at Rev 18:3, can you name or explain the "all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies." I don't remember reading of American Indians deriving benefit of this. Maybe our trading of beads, and wampum excelled in some undiscovered manner. Let's see, Europe came years later and screwed that up we could possibly assign to wrath against Babylon; I just don't remember this being in 70 AD. How kemosabe, and peace from all the dastardly ills of Jerusalem huh?
:grumpy

Your definition of the earth is not contextually valid. The verse is simply saying that Temple Judaism had not kept herself pure, but in the pursuit of profit corrupted her values with those of the pagan nations around her. She lost her saltiness.
 
Hi Sister Deborah, and does that mean that Jerusalem (Babylon) is to be rebuilt and the bride to be in its future as the heavenly Babylon (Jerusalem)? If Jerusalem is Babylon, can we just substitute or switch the names where we find them?

Of course you realize I don't believe that, but I thought I'd just throw it out here. :)

Sorry Eugene, I not sure what you mean by that.
If you mean something like this, I would say yes.
Is the red dragon with 7 seven heads, really a dragon? Or do we need to turn to other scripture to identify what this dragon may be a symbol of?
 
Your definition of the earth is not contextually valid. The verse is simply saying that Temple Judaism had not kept herself pure, but in the pursuit of profit corrupted her values with those of the pagan nations around her. She lost her saltiness.

Yes, they had done basically done the same thing that Solomon had done.
Who paid for the rebuilding of the second temple? If I remember correctly, it was Babylon. It was first ordered by Cyrus and then confirmed by Darius?
 
Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon (Jerusalem?) be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Oh no, maybe there was a mistake? Now they’re going to rebuild it? It says that right in scripture don’t it?

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem (Babylon huh?), coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
The New Jerusalem is Christianity. It is here on earth right now, and you live in it.
 
The Arabs and Arabia is actually mentioned quite a few times in scriptures. Let me put some of these scriptures together for you so it may make somewhat more sense to you. I'm just waking up so give me awhile. I know that something this new as a thought has never been mentioned so it may indeed sound quite strange at first! ;)

It can't be Rome or New York because the bible clearly says that it is in the desert by the sea. You see where Mecca is on the map? Right by the Red Sea! I do believe this all about Islam. See their flag? A Crescent and a Star. There's more to it though. I'll post scriptures in awhile when I've had more coffee and wake up.
Because the Bible illustrates patterns that repeat, you're not totally wrong here. Temple Judaism is the Jerusalem/Babylon of Revelation, but today we have Mecca/Jerusalem/Babylon which should eventually suffer the same fate.
 
Yes, they had done basically done the same thing that Solomon had done.
Who paid for the rebuilding of the second temple? If I remember correctly, it was Babylon. It was first ordered by Cyrus and then confirmed by Darius?
Media Persia conquered Babylon under Cyrus the Great(the gentile messiah promised by name from God through Isaiah) who then also freed the captives and ordered the temple rebuilt.
 
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