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God's discriminating Love !
Rom 9:13
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
That God does not Love all men, but in fact that He hates some, is seen here in this most hated by natural man portion of Truth, and if this verse was not enough for there is another that even moreso reveals God's hate for Esau and Love for Jacob Mal 1:2-3
2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Thats discriminant Love. This hate is not a sinful passion of hatred like Titus 3:3
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
And God's hate of an individual does not deny them creature comforts, His providential care as their Creator, thats clear from Jesus words here Matt 5:44-45
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:r for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth gain on the just and on the unjust.
God forbids His Children to ck human compassion for his fellow creature [though they may be a enemy to Truth] they are still from a creature perspective his neighbor. Jesus Illustrates this point here Lk 10:29-36
29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
In Vs 33 that word compassion is the greek word splagchnizomai and means:
to be moved as to one's bowels, hence to be moved with compassion, have compassion (for the bowels were thought to be the seat of love and pity)
Let me give you an example of how this can practically play out. Those who are false gospel preachers and enemies in the gospel like those of Gal 1:8-9 or those false teachers who come bringing a false doctrine of Christ and believers are to show them no hospitality whatsoever as Per 2 Jn 2:1:10
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
Now in this situation no hospitality should even be allowed. Now, if this same person was seen by us perhaps in a burning car and could use our help in saving their life, then we should not lack the human compassion to attempt to save that persons life in any way feasible, just because they are an enemies of the Truth ! There should be a love or a compassion in us to aide that person even though from a spiritual stand point they are our enemy. We still should not ever invite them to hospitality in our homes as before in 2 Jn 2:1:10
A person does not have to be another believer in order for us to show human compassion for them which is another form of love !
Yes, I believe God Loves the non elect in that capacity as their Creator, not as their Heavenly Father, and God's Children should Love the non elect in that way but not as their brothers in Christ !
Even in natural things of doing good, preference should be made to those of the Household of Faith over the unbeliever Gal 6:10
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
Even that imperative is discriminating !9
Rom 9:13
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
That God does not Love all men, but in fact that He hates some, is seen here in this most hated by natural man portion of Truth, and if this verse was not enough for there is another that even moreso reveals God's hate for Esau and Love for Jacob Mal 1:2-3
2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Thats discriminant Love. This hate is not a sinful passion of hatred like Titus 3:3
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
And God's hate of an individual does not deny them creature comforts, His providential care as their Creator, thats clear from Jesus words here Matt 5:44-45
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:r for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth gain on the just and on the unjust.
God forbids His Children to ck human compassion for his fellow creature [though they may be a enemy to Truth] they are still from a creature perspective his neighbor. Jesus Illustrates this point here Lk 10:29-36
29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
In Vs 33 that word compassion is the greek word splagchnizomai and means:
to be moved as to one's bowels, hence to be moved with compassion, have compassion (for the bowels were thought to be the seat of love and pity)
Let me give you an example of how this can practically play out. Those who are false gospel preachers and enemies in the gospel like those of Gal 1:8-9 or those false teachers who come bringing a false doctrine of Christ and believers are to show them no hospitality whatsoever as Per 2 Jn 2:1:10
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
Now in this situation no hospitality should even be allowed. Now, if this same person was seen by us perhaps in a burning car and could use our help in saving their life, then we should not lack the human compassion to attempt to save that persons life in any way feasible, just because they are an enemies of the Truth ! There should be a love or a compassion in us to aide that person even though from a spiritual stand point they are our enemy. We still should not ever invite them to hospitality in our homes as before in 2 Jn 2:1:10
A person does not have to be another believer in order for us to show human compassion for them which is another form of love !
Yes, I believe God Loves the non elect in that capacity as their Creator, not as their Heavenly Father, and God's Children should Love the non elect in that way but not as their brothers in Christ !
Even in natural things of doing good, preference should be made to those of the Household of Faith over the unbeliever Gal 6:10
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
Even that imperative is discriminating !9
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More discriminating love.
Psalm 147:19 He declares His word to Jacob, His statutes and His judgments to Israel. 20 He has not dealt thus with any nation; And as for His judgments, they have not known them. Praise the LORD!
Psalm 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, The people He has chosen as His own inheritance.
Acts 14:16 who in bygone generations allowed all nations to walk in their own ways.
Deueronomy 18:14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you.
Micah 4:5 For all people walk each in the name of his god, But we will walk in the name of the LORD our God Forever and ever.
Psalm 147:19 He declares His word to Jacob, His statutes and His judgments to Israel. 20 He has not dealt thus with any nation; And as for His judgments, they have not known them. Praise the LORD!
Psalm 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, The people He has chosen as His own inheritance.
Acts 14:16 who in bygone generations allowed all nations to walk in their own ways.
Deueronomy 18:14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you.
Micah 4:5 For all people walk each in the name of his god, But we will walk in the name of the LORD our God Forever and ever.
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Thanks for making my point.
Hate in the context of Luke 14:26 like other passages mean to prefer the one over the other.
And when the Lord saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb. Genesis 29:31
Jacob preferred Rachel over Leah.
He was still intimate with Leah because she eventually bore children. Six of the twelve children of Israel came from Leah.
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He prays for His disciples, Himself and the rest who will eventually be saved.
I guess you missed that part. Try reading all of John 17.
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God's discriminating Love ! 2
Now Esau whom God stated that He hated did bless him with providential blessings and comforts, but these are no indications that He Loved him, but merely provided for him as He does all His creatures See Gen 36:6.
However the Love that God had for His Elect Jacob that He did not have for esau, a Love that esau and all non elect persons are excluded from, they being rejected of the Lord, is a hate of exclusion from Eternal Love in Christ Jesus. They are excluded from this Love Rom 8:39
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Remember Jesus prayer and He said this about His disciples and believers Jn 17:23-24
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Thats the Love of God in Christ Jesus, Loved before the foundation of the World even as Christ was Loved.
The non elect like the esau's are excluded from that Love, and so hated !
All outside of this exclusive Love of God, for in the original it reads with the definite article:
της αγαπης του θεου της εν χριστω ιησου τω κυριω ημων
Then we are viewed by God only as workers of Iniquity whom God hates Ps 5:5
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Remember these Jesus said of Matt 25:1-2
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
And are these not the same as here Matt 7:23
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The foolish virgins and they that work iniquity are the same that God hates, and they are excluded from the Kingdom of His Love !
Now Esau whom God stated that He hated did bless him with providential blessings and comforts, but these are no indications that He Loved him, but merely provided for him as He does all His creatures See Gen 36:6.
However the Love that God had for His Elect Jacob that He did not have for esau, a Love that esau and all non elect persons are excluded from, they being rejected of the Lord, is a hate of exclusion from Eternal Love in Christ Jesus. They are excluded from this Love Rom 8:39
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Remember Jesus prayer and He said this about His disciples and believers Jn 17:23-24
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Thats the Love of God in Christ Jesus, Loved before the foundation of the World even as Christ was Loved.
The non elect like the esau's are excluded from that Love, and so hated !
All outside of this exclusive Love of God, for in the original it reads with the definite article:
της αγαπης του θεου της εν χριστω ιησου τω κυριω ημων
Then we are viewed by God only as workers of Iniquity whom God hates Ps 5:5
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Remember these Jesus said of Matt 25:1-2
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
And are these not the same as here Matt 7:23
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The foolish virgins and they that work iniquity are the same that God hates, and they are excluded from the Kingdom of His Love !
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Yes.
“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me. John 17:6-8
Jesus is specifically praying for His disciples.
They were the Fathers.
The Father gave them to His Son Jesus Christ.
They believed Jesus was sent from the Father.
They belong to Jesus Christ, including Judas.
Judas became lost.
The principle of becoming lost is what was lost first belonged to the owner.
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Please share the scripture you are referring to so I can see what you are getting at.
The world refers to unsaved people.
“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.
John 17:6-8
These disciples were chosen to be Apostles, the foundational leadership of the Church, (purpose)… from the world.
Meaning they were unsaved and became saved by believing the Gospel Jesus preached.
Judas was chosen for this as the other eleven.
Judas was also chosen, predestined to reign with Christ and the other eleven in the age to come.
So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28
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What’s excludes?
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Please see post 674
What’s your point?
I will agree the tare’s are children of the devil, and are not “legitimate” human beings, such as the Nephilim were in the days of Noah.
But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Matthew 24:37
Remember the uprooting of the tares will be at the end of the age at the time of the harvest.
The tares are exclusive to the last generation just before His return.
How does that fit into your “elect” or “non-elect” narrative?
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Yes.
Everyone has the same chances to turn from sin and start serving God.
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