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  1. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    Sorry, Rev 20:11-15 does not say that those who do not receive the gift of eternal life will have eternal life in hell with satan being tormented alive forever while they are dead. And Destroyed means exactly that. And forever and ever means exactly that. And when someone is destroyed and...
  2. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    I'm sorry, I am a Jesus folllower. I do not accept your premise that Jesus is wrong.
  3. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    Sorry, that is not what John 3:16 says. The question was "What does the Bible say in John 3:16?" You got the wrong book entirely.
  4. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    John 3:16 says For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Who will not perish? Who will perish? Who will not have eternal life? Who will have eternal life? Does this say that ANYONE will have eternal life in hell...
  5. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    One Holy Spirit to guide us into truth. One Deceiver to lead us astray. Which one do you think more people follow? What did Jesus say about the wide road and the narrow road? Which road do you think has more people on it? Even if 2.4 Billion people are wrong, that does not mean that the God of...
  6. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    Maybe so. What does the Bible say in John 3:16?
  7. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    I'm sorry Chopper. You know that I love you, but you and I also know that "thanatos" does not and has never meant "separation". The Greek word for "separate" is aphorizo. Thanatos means death.
  8. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    I do not think it is fair to lay the blame for the confusion of men on the God of order.
  9. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    John 3:16 is unbiblical? Romans 6:23 is unbiblical? 2 Thessalonians 1:9 is unbiblical? Are ALL of these verses from the Bible unBiblical? Luke 13:3, Matthew 10:28, Matthew 7:13, Psalm 37:10, Psalm 37:20, Ezekiel 18:4, Malachi chapter 4, The book of Jude, The letter to the Romans, the book of...
  10. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    According to Jesus Christ, as recorded in Matthew 7:13 and in Matthew 10:28 they will be destroyed. According to John 3:16, they will perish. According to Jesus as recorded in Luke 13:3, unless a man repents, he will perish. According to the Bible, as recorded in Romans 6:23, the wages of sin is...
  11. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    I want to have a decent discussion. I don't want to be rude to anyone or have anyone be rude to me. I asked from my first post in this thread that the other side would be respectful of opposing POVs. If this thread is closed, it is because those who hold the view that the lost are tormented...
  12. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    I asked you to comment on John 3:16. I commented on the verse you wanted me to comment on. The deal was then you would also respond to John 3:16. You didn't do it.
  13. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    It is very clear, Who does it say is tormented? The devil, the ten headed beast, and the false prophet. Not EVERYONE, not all sinners. Jesus said that they will be destroyed. Do you not accept all of God's Word? If you look at all of God's word, it is clear that throughout scripture the fate of...
  14. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    Okay, but then I have a request to also make of you. I will read your verse and tell you what I think and then you will read MY verse and tell me what you think. Deal? Here is Revelation 14:10-11 he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he...
  15. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    I'm sorry Kathi, but nobody has shown me any scripture to be in denial of! If you know of any verse in the Bible where Jesus said that anyone will experience eternal conscious torment, show me where it is and I will accept it. If you know of any verse in the Bible that says people will go to...
  16. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    I'm going to bed. Read the gospels and believe what they say.
  17. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    Matthew 25:46 says eternal punishment, not eternal torment. I agree with Jesus Christ that there is to be eternal punishment. And I agree with Jesus Christ that this punishment is destruction, as He said in Matthew 7:13, Matthew 10:28, and Luke 13:3. You ask "why would it matter if they were...
  18. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    Enough of this. Here are Jesus Christ's own words on the topic: "The gate is wide that leads to DESTRUCTION." "Fear the one who is able to DESTROY both body and soul in hell." According to Jesus Christ Himself, The soul is DESTROYED in hell, it is not eternally tormented in hell.
  19. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    Wrong, not one. If there was one you would have shown it. There isn't one. Face it. In poker, the showdown is a situation when, if more than one player remains after the last betting round, remaining players expose and compare their hands to determine the winner or winners. To win any part of a...
  20. TimothyW

    Eternal damnation

    Yes you did. You showed a parable where the rich man was in torment. But it wasn't eternal torment. And if you look closely at the parable you will see that the man's brothers are still alive at the time the man was in torment. So if this parable is taken literally, it still doesn't show the...
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