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  1. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    Have you ever stopped to think it's the staid KJV that has rejected dynamic equivalence so we cannot understand the meaning? Leave the NIV to people like me who know that meaning-for-meaning translations are better for the common folks. Oz
  2. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    Writing Greek is not equivalent to understanding Greek words, grammar, and syntax. I think you need to do some more advanced study in Greek and Hebrew. Oz
  3. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    Dorothy, Are you a translator of the biblical languages? Do you know enough of Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek to be able to translate accurately - either formal equivalence or dynamic equivalence? I most definitely can discuss the particulars - without logical fallacies. Oz
  4. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    Dorothy, You did not quote the Greek for Ps 51:5. You quoted the Hebrew. Don't you know the difference between these 2 languages? The NIV gives the clear meaning of the text. It is a meaning-for-meaning (dynamic equivalence) rendition which is so much easier to understand than the KJV...
  5. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    Andy, Does that mean you take no notice of the grammar and syntax of sentences and paragraphs? Oz
  6. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    Dorothy, Please give us 5 examples of where the NIV has changed the meaning so that we understand less about God and His ways. Oz
  7. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    Dorothy, Please, please provide examples to which you refer. Otherwise I'm left to consider it is your bias. Oz
  8. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    The NIV is a meaning-for-meaning (dynamic equivalence) translation. It is expected that there will be translational differences when dynamic equivalence is used. It does not mean the NIV has removed a great deal of the text. It means it is translated to give greater meaning for folks like me who...
  9. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    Did you develop this example yourself? If not, it is courteous to acknowledge the source of your diagram. Oz
  10. OzSpen

    Why the Church Gathering Has Changed

    In countries where tax deductions have been given to churches, Boards are necessary for government accountability. I don't live in such a country. We do allow tax deductability for Christian developmental organisations such as Compassion International, Samaritan's Purse, etc. Oz
  11. OzSpen

    Why the Church Gathering Has Changed

    I do see elders who direct the church - 1 Tim 5:17; Titus 1:7; 1 Peter 5:1–2 Oz
  12. OzSpen

    THE FORMULA FOR SALVATION

    wondering, You will get different steps for monergism (Calvinists) vs synergism (Arminianism). This is my understanding of the steps for Monergism: God predestines all who will be saved. God elects them to salvation. One Monergist engaged in evangelism told me he was seeking to find the...
  13. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    Do you think the average Christian has the academic background to discern better translations? I use the NIV, ESV (which is not a new translation but an update of the RSV) and sometimes the NET. When I'm writing for everyday Christians, I sometimes use the NLT. All of them are good translations...
  14. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    "the dirty of Christ" ?????
  15. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    Dorothy, You gave not one example, so that leaves me suspicious of your reasons for rejecting the NIV. Oz
  16. OzSpen

    Question about Bible Version....

    Louis J, By the way, it's International and not Internation. "Man" in English refers to human beings or someone. Depending on the context, the Greek, adelphoi (plural), refers to brothers and sisters or brothers. If you want an accurate modern translation, choose the NIV, ESV, NET, NLT, CEV...
  17. OzSpen

    These Signs Will Follow Those Who Believe (Mark 16:17)

    Alfred, Thank you for your apology and I accept it in grace. You accept the Textus Receptus, based on your a priori presuppositions as allegedly given by Divine Providence. You haven't proven it to me. You are making assertions without demonstrated evidence. Oz
  18. OzSpen

    These Signs Will Follow Those Who Believe (Mark 16:17)

    Protecting His word, but it has to be the Byzantine MSS of the NT for you. You are selective with what "His word" means.
  19. OzSpen

    These Signs Will Follow Those Who Believe (Mark 16:17)

    I'm tired of your not answering the issue I raised. Bye!
  20. OzSpen

    These Signs Will Follow Those Who Believe (Mark 16:17)

    Alfred, Codex Sinaiticus is a 4th Century Greek Alexandrian MSS housed in the British Library and is considered to be the oldest Greek MSS known. There are portions of approx 5,000 Alexandrian MSS in the world. The Greek NT that Erasmus used for the KJV was the Textus Receptus, dated to 1516...
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