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  1. Nathan

    Working Diorama

    Yea, I work mostly with PLC's, but 'dabble' with plain IC's from time to time. I am a visual kind of guy, and the PLC's are really nothing more than a bunch of IC's that can be configured to do different tasks based off how you set the program. But it does take a little different approach than...
  2. Nathan

    Working Diorama

    Looks like Papa got you hooked up with the images. :) On the side note, if it were me, I would introduce a small(but very large improvement) change into the system. I would use a PLC to operate all the controls, but have the 'old school' switches/lights to be the inputs/outputs. The PLC...
  3. Nathan

    McGregor vs. Mayweather PPV fight tonight _ Anyone watching?

    If I am not mistaken, posts are limited to a 10000 'character' limit. Which means, any spaces/periods/special letters/etc are all added up. Is there a specific amount that you can see, but cannot go over? Might try copy/paste your post into Microsoft word or something that counts characters...
  4. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    No, do not put words into my mouth. Its fine if you disagree, but its not right to make it sound like I am being intellectually dishonest. It is NOT akin to saying God desires some to be saved. I specifically quoted the verse, and specifically quoted that it says He desires ALL men to be...
  5. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    We should be consistent. I agree. 1Ti 2:3-4 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Paul tells Timothy that God "desires" all people to be saved. The word used, thélō, means to have...
  6. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    Actually, Adam was good. Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. As far as "guilty" of sin, it is focusing on the wrong thing. People will not spend eternity away from God because they sin...
  7. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    I think it is about coming into this world condemned - under a curse so to speak. That is why, lets call them the "young"(infants, children, mentally young), need a Savior. If the young came into this world totally innocent, then died totally innocent, then they would not need a Savior -...
  8. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    We need to be very basic. God is a just God. That very specifically means that He will not judge a human for another humans sin. Physical death is not a judgement, it is a result. Eternal death is a judgement, not a result. Judgement implies a judge made a descision on something. If there...
  9. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    Do children have to be taught to disobey? I never taught my children to, they did it on their own from a very early age.
  10. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    Will animals stand before the judgement seat of God? Humans are made in the image of God - are animals?
  11. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    I'm going to be very frank with you - you do not have any right to say what I would do or not do. I am not attacking you, I would appreciate it if you did the same. You do not know my life history. I know exactly what the Scriptures say about death, sin, and the judgement. You came in on a...
  12. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    I do understand the deeper meaning of it, but the point is Jesus knew it was not the season for fruit - He knew there would be no figs on it - yet He told it that it would never have fruit again. The tree neither did right nor wrong - it was neither unfair or fair. We need to understand the...
  13. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    Was Christ born from an earthly father? Does the fact He did not have an earthly father contradict the verses you posted? I'm saying we should take passages in their context. We know for a fact that 'sin' passes on through the male seed. Romans is clear on this. Rom 5:12 Therefore, just...
  14. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    Ok, so, if infants need a Savior, so that they will live forever - why would they not live forever? What causes them to need a Savior so that they will not eternally be dead?
  15. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    I did answer the question. It is neither unfair nor fair, it is neither unjust or just. It was God's, and He gave it to Adam to tend and keep. Adam chose to disobey, so God chose to allow Adam to have what he chose. Creation is a machine. It will ALL be destroyed, and ALL things will be...
  16. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    Jeff, if this is too close for you then by all means I am not going to continue. Children are 'saved' in Christ because He is the fulfillment of the promise God made from Eve on down through the generations. David knew this. David knew that God was salvation. David knew that God was just, and...
  17. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    He was not born with it, but He did receive it. That is why the eternal life died.
  18. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    Do you think that the ground cares? It is not either just or unjust. If I take some clay, make a pot out of it - then smash it to pieces - was that just or unjust?
  19. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. Humans are not human because we decide to stand up, walk around, and look/talk like humans do. We are humans to begin with, and therefore we do what humans do.
  20. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    For which part?
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