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  1. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    It was Adam's, and through Adam's choice, he 'sold'(loose term) it into satan's hand. Do you know what sin is?
  2. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    Your wrong. You think that I see death as a punishment. I don't. Eternal death, that is a sentence however. Physical death, that is relief.
  3. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    You made it clear that you believed infants did need a Savior, which would save them from the destruction of their souls. The ONLY reason why a soul is destroyed is because they were sentenced to it. So I am trying to get clarity because on one hand you seem like you believe they need a...
  4. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    There are no passages that teach it. I believe infants/young ones are 'saved' in Christ. This is where God's sovereignty comes into play. They too will stand before God and be judged. However, since they had never chose to do wrong - God will judge them based on that. Because Christ...
  5. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    So do they need a Savior? Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
  6. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    Think "bondage". Adam 'sold' us into slavery to sin. Illustration - children born into slavery did not choose to be born into it, but since they are born into it they become the property of the slave owner.
  7. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    I still think it comes down to understanding what sin is. I do not think that 'original sin' is passed through the father. The propensity, namely the desire, to sin is passed down through the father. We have to remember, it was Adam that God had given the commandment to, and it was Adam who...
  8. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    We limit it to humans because animals will not face the eternal sentence of death. They are simply complex 'machines' God created - they were not created like humans. When an animal dies, that is it - no judgement - no need for a Savior. Why would an infant, who has no sin, have their soul...
  9. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    No, I may suffer the result of what their sin did - but I will not suffer the cost of their sin. Think of it this way - I may 'loose' the money I had, but I cannot be sentenced to jail for their theft. Death is the sentence of sin alone, not just a coincidence. Adam was not told that he would...
  10. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    He was born from a virgin, not having an earthly father, specifically because the 'nature' to sin is passed through the male 'seed'. The woman was deceived, Adam chose to sin. Christ did not have the 'nature' to sin simply because He did not have an earthly(biological) father. Rom 5:12-18...
  11. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    So do infants have to 'pay the price' for sins they have not committed? What specifically do they need saving from? A "Savior" implies one needs to be "saved" correct?
  12. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    I am just trying to understand your logic is all. I do not believe a newborn has sinned per say. So why would a newborn need a Savior?
  13. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    StoveBolts So do you believe we are innocent at birth? If so, then do children who die at birth need a Savior?
  14. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    I quoted 1 John 3:4-10. What do you find offensive about what John says? I did not make any gospel presentations.
  15. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    I did not charge you with that. I was making a statement. If you feel like it was directed toward you then it is your own conscience - I would listen to it. I have no need to go back and forth with you. That is why I said what I did. John is clear. The words we read are clear. The person...
  16. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    It is assumptive. To the point though, why will they perish after they die? "Assuming" they have never sinned that is.
  17. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    So did God create them to die? Why do they die?
  18. Nathan

    Are we born condemned with Adams sin...or innocent at birth?

    2Co 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. Jesus only died because He had sin put on Him. So, do you have another example of death that comes from not having any sin? I do not think we can equate ourselves with...
  19. Nathan

    Generator circuit breaker question...

    Take a picture of the electric box. Post it or send it to me in a text. You'll need a digital multimeter. More simple than what you may think. People actually pay me to do stuff like this so it has to be. :)
  20. Nathan

    Generator circuit breaker question...

    Well, if you have power to one side of the breaker, then you know it's bad. :). If there is no power on one side, then you go back to the next device in line. If you do have power, then just swap the breaker. You can't fix them things. :)
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