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  1. Nathan

    "Believe" in the present tense

    I would say 'eternal' is only defined in terms of something of God and with God(not from Him). I agree with your last statement and that is precisely why we cannot look at eternal life as something possessed by us, but rather Him who unites us to Himself. People are looking at eternal life as...
  2. Nathan

    "Believe" in the present tense

    How can something that is eternal have a beginning? Can we just redefine words to fit something we believe?
  3. Nathan

    Salvation

    I have a lot of thoughts, not least of which is my disgust in your feeble attempt to accusingly lure me into an argument. I'd like to stick to the topic of salvation. I was not asking what the tense of the word is, but rather is it a past, present, future, or combination of all three -...
  4. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    1Jo 1:1-10 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life—the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which...
  5. Nathan

    "Believe" in the present tense

    Gen 3:4-5 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” When will people wake up and quit falling for the lie of satan? Mat 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me...
  6. Nathan

    Salvation

    Based on what we read in the Scriptures and the NT writings, is salvation a past, present, or future thing? If it is all three, then is it the same thing for all three?
  7. Nathan

    Salvation

    "salvation" occurs 164 times in 158 verses in the KJV. "salvation" occurs 173 times in 169 verses in the ESV. "salvation" occurs 160 times in 156 verses in the NASB. First mention of it is in Genesis 49:18 I wait for your salvation, O LORD. יְשׁוּעָה yᵉshûwʻâh, yesh-oo'-aw; feminine passive...
  8. Nathan

    Salvation

    I was not trying to turn this into yet another "loss" vs "earn" debate. I want to see what everyone who posts on here thinks "Salvation" is. Maybe its more for my own understanding as to why people believe what they do, but I am also truly interested in finding out what people actually think...
  9. Nathan

    Salvation

    Interesting. So, is there like a 'set in stone' definition of what the word "salvation" means, like when we read the word "salvation" in the Bible? Do we know what that definition is? Is it an absolute definition? I'm just trying to get us to think here is all.
  10. Nathan

    Salvation

    All this talk back and forth about salvation got me to thinking...........do we even know what "salvation" is? What is salvation to you? Is is something absolute or relative? Can the definition of it change? Sometimes it helps to start with the basics.
  11. Nathan

    "Believe" in the present tense

    I think that its not understood what eternal punishment is. I assure you, the 'eternal punishment' that people who are not in Christ will receive, has no beginning or end. Notice what your verse you quote states - "into". They will go "into" that eternal place. So yes, eternal cannot be...
  12. Nathan

    "Believe" in the present tense

    I do not think we have the right to determine what eternal is or is not. Eternal is set. It means it always is. Only God is eternal, He had no begining and no end. Our life we receive comes from the Spirit of God living in us, the same Spirit that Jesus sends to us - the reason He said...
  13. Nathan

    "Believe" in the present tense

    Actually, eternal life is eternal because it has no beginning and no end. Therefore it cannot be a "possession" of a non-eternal human. However, since God is eternal, when His Spirit lives in us, He 'gives' us life - and that life He gives us is eternal. It is not a possession of the created...
  14. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Do you consider the impact you are making on young ones in the faith, and those who are weak? Is it just a flippant thing for you to rewrite words that the One who you claim as Lord said? Is Jesus your Lord?
  15. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    I've personally never encountered one who professes to be a believer in Christ, who purposefully changes Bible verses to try and prove a point - especially when the point they are trying to make about someone is false. I hope one day you do understand.
  16. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Oh, I am following just fine. I think you changed a word in that verse. Its not "GAVE" its "Give". Jhn 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. Maybe your...
  17. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    2Pe 3:14-18 Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his...
  18. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    You keep saying this, but you have no Scripture to back this statement up with. Why? Where do we see that if it is possible to loose salvation you already have?
  19. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Do you feel the need to make it sound like I am saying something other than what I am because you find yourself challenged, or just angry? Verse 27 of John 10 is inseparable from verse 28. I am not listing any conditions, as you falsely accuse me of, I am simply stating what Jesus states. If...
  20. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    No, I'm not putting conditions anywhere. Just stating the clear words that Jesus said. Are you putting conditions on His words? His sheep hear His voice and follow Him. Those who are not hearing His voice and are not following Him are not His sheep. He specifically states that it is His...
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