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  1. Nathan

    The "EVENTS" of salvation.

    Well, lets just post the passage in there for examination. :) Col 2:8-12 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of deity...
  2. Nathan

    Hell, what is it?

    I think you are jumping to conclusions. You seem to be interjecting your idea of what truth is. Truth is an absolute. It does not mean it has to have happened, or be 'real' in the sense of human reality - like put our fingers on or touch. Truth is anything that is not false or have anything...
  3. Nathan

    The "EVENTS" of salvation.

    I don't think I have asked the same question. I probably have asked where it states we are only put into Christ after we believe. Because as far as I have ever seen, and know, we are put into Christ by God and we then have the ability to believe after we are given life. Dead people can't...
  4. Nathan

    Hell, what is it?

    I know exactly what you speak of, and knew you would bring it up. It is actually one of the passages I remember most in Acts - for various reasons. Act 17:16 Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him as he saw that the city was full of idols. To say the...
  5. Nathan

    Hell, what is it?

    Sorry Stove, I just do not buy the idea that Jesus used mythological ideas. Mythology - a body of myths, as that of a particular people or that relating to a particular person. Myths - a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or...
  6. Nathan

    Hell, what is it?

    If it has anything to do with Greek Mythology then no. Jesus did not teach the truths of His Father using 'gods' of the enemies side. There is no indication that He would do such a thing. We are to stay away from idols and all they represent. Jesus was not going to use them as lessons for us...
  7. Nathan

    Hell, what is it?

    Well, I have no clue about Greek Mythology. I just know that hell is a bad place, it was not created for mankind - but those who are not on His right will be cast into the eternal fire. I know that that place, the place that the ones on the left go into, is not the same place that the ones on...
  8. Nathan

    Hell, what is it?

    Oh come on, tell me how you really feel. :) Matthew 25:41 (ESV) Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Is Jesus quoting from Greek mythology here?
  9. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Sometimes love is letting someone, especially who confesses to be in Christ, know that what they are doing is wrong. Jas 5:20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. We should not falsely accuse...
  10. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Yes. Salvation is available to the whole world - some will believe in it and some won't. I do not agree with the idea of being 'saved' as a date in the past. I do believe that there is a definite mark of time when someone first believes(receives faith), and because of that they understand...
  11. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    I honestly do not understand your question. In order to answer with a straight yes or no I need to fully understand what your asking. Are you asking if they believed in Jesus, later on(after He made the statements), then they would be saved before He made the statements? That's how I am...
  12. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Then is a goat always a goat? Do you believe sheep and goats are created as such and can never be either or?
  13. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Projecting my doctrine onto an opponent? I'd love an explanation of how that works. I believe it is possible that anyone believe in Christ for salvation - except those who have already and chose to reject Him for a return back to sin. So the ones in John 10:26 had as much possibility as...
  14. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Right! So the sheep do not have to do anything to become a sheep. They are one because God made them that way. I am glad you are starting to see this clearly now. Being a sheep is not based on you believing - you believe in Christ because you are a sheep. So, those who are His sheep hear...
  15. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Like I said, Jesus said He gives them life - not gave His sheep life. If that is not clear, I am not sure what is. Jhn 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. The ongoing "eternal life" is Christ in us. Unless you do not think...
  16. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Amen. That's exactly what Paul was saying also. The Gospel is given to us from faith for faith. Its all of God's work done in us, to produce the work He desires through us - all of faith. So we cannot say that we can leave the faith, turn away from it, and deny it without denying God's...
  17. Nathan

    Praying In Tongues...Revisited

    My Mother goes to an AOG church, and when I visit her I experience the exact thing you just described(minus the people's ages - lol) - each and every time I go - same thing every time. I grew up in a charismatic church, so I am not 'new' to what they call speaking in tongues. It does not...
  18. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    :salute Rom 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith."
  19. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Chopper, I always appreciate a brother who wants to see union and not separation. :) I am curious though, you call me out as throwing "SNARKY" remarks out. I would like to know, for my personal edification, which remarks you think are snarky/insulting. I am not saying there could not be any...
  20. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    This is what you think He meant. You have not proven that He meant what you say He does - its only your opinion. On the other hand, Jesus did say that He gives(not gave) His sheep eternal life - and because He gives(not gave) them life they will never perish. So its quite clear, that if He is...
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