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  1. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Please show how they are the wrong questions. You ask one like mine, just more generic, after saying mine are wrong. My question - "Does a sheep become a sheep after they hear His voice? Or do sheep hear His voice because they are sheep?" Your question - "When does a sheep become His sheep?"...
  2. Nathan

    The "EVENTS" of salvation.

    Is it believed that a person has to believe in Christ before God makes them alive in Christ?
  3. Nathan

    The "EVENTS" of salvation.

    Yep, they were. :) You have to consider what 'dead' means. It means they were not believing in what God was doing before God did it. They were unknown, seperated, from what God had already decided was going to happen. In each instance God had called/chosen them, set their lives in the order...
  4. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    You see it exactly as I do. People seem to be more concerned with the gift than the Giver of the gift. Once you focus on the Giver, rather than the gift, you see the truth in it all. I hope that some who put more trust in what they have done and what that 'guarantees' them, will soon turn...
  5. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    More false accusations. Are you that hardened in your heart you do not hear yourself? I quoted the passages exactly as they are read. Only those who want to believe in a lie will deny what they say. You have such a hateful heart toward me you will not listen to what I am saying. Why...
  6. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    When someone is convinced of something then it's near impossible to make them see something different. The discussion will always seem lacking when your caught in the middle. It could be helpful, if your wanting to discuss for the reason of knowing more, if you pose questions. When I want to...
  7. Nathan

    The "EVENTS" of salvation.

    Correct. We are made alive in Christ, and because of that we can believe. A dead person cannot believe.
  8. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    I see you left out the passages I posted? So you call something heretical without showing any proof of it. A false accuser does such things. I forgive you Cygnus, but you need to examine your heart. 1 John 1 5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is...
  9. Nathan

    The "EVENTS" of salvation.

    Salvation isn't an event, it's a life. Before salvation we are dead in our sins. Lifeless, unable to believe. After being made alive, by being put into Christ who is life, then we are alive and can believe. So before belief, we were dead in sins and then made alive in Christ. After...
  10. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Faith is the avenue of which God saves us. When a person turns from faith, they most certainly turn from salvation also. Faith and salvation are inseparable. When you deny one, you are denying the other. Acts 15 7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them...
  11. Nathan

    The "EVENTS" of salvation.

    Bingo. You cannot believe something is 100% true unless it already is. God saved us by sending His Son to die for our sins. Then calls us to believe in this. Like Abraham, righteousness is accounted to us because we believe. Like Abraham, God does the work first, and we believe second. God...
  12. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    John 10 1 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep...
  13. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Christ died for our sins while we were still in our sins. He sacrificed Himself, being obedient to the Father, for the entire world. He did this for everyone, and whoever hears this message can be assured God is calling on them to repent from what they believe saves them, and trust that Christ...
  14. Nathan

    The "EVENTS" of salvation.

    God saves us while we are dead - lifeless - unable to do anything. This is why it's called "good news". We either believe this, and continue in His life - or we reject it, and deny His life. Nothing more complicated than that. Romans 5:10 (ESV) For if while we were enemies we were...
  15. Nathan

    God Is Soooo Out Of Touch

    No, there is nowhere that he used God as the centerpiece of mockery. Elijah was very reverent when speaking of His God. The OP article is not.
  16. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Jude 1:5 (ESV) Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. Saved first, belief (or rejection/deny) second. Did God require them to believe first? 1 Corinthians 15 1 Now I...
  17. Nathan

    God Is Soooo Out Of Touch

    Elijah mocked the false prophets using their God as a centerpiece. The article in the OP uses our God as the centerpiece. It's disgusting. I am voicing my opinion of it. It others enjoy it, that's between them and the Lord. I'm simply stating it's not right.
  18. Nathan

    God Is Soooo Out Of Touch

    There are a lot of things that a lot of people don't have problems with. That doesn't mean we sit around and tell everyone to do what's right in their own eyes. Love is patient, kind, and it does not rejoice in evil but in the truth. There is a difference between humor and mockery. There is...
  19. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    I've never found the distinction Chopper. Never seen where that is taught in the NT. When I have looked, all I found is a very distinct and clear message that all believers are called the same way and are on the same level as each other. All are elect, all are called through the Gospel...
  20. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    My post: Your response: Now your saying you didn't say what you posted?
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