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  1. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    If a person thinks they are saved because they did something - that person is caught in the bonds of iniquity. I cannot be more clear than that. God does not save you as a result of you believing, you have the ability to believe because God has saved you. Sin tells us that we get something...
  2. Nathan

    God Is Soooo Out Of Touch

    I honestly do not see those as examples of satire. Satire would mean there is some pleasure involved. God did not have pleasure in those instances. Ezekiel 33:11 (ESV) Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from...
  3. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Your not too old Chopper. :) I do not hold to the idea of there being more than one type of believer in Christ. I believe the "elect" are called that for the express reason of encouraging them that God loves us so much and we are not an after thought of His plan. It is also to signify He...
  4. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Christ doesn't "have" the ability, He did it already. You have not shown anything to counter the clear teaching that Jesus took the sin of the world on Himself - not just some. Secondly, God does have to call a man to Himself - but nowhere do you find He chooses not to do so. In fact, we...
  5. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    stinkeye You get that from me posting a passage that states Christ is not only the propitiation for our sins, but for the whole world also? Why do you have to always falsely accuse someone and dig at them? Have I pushed salvation via works? If you actually feel that way, then there are...
  6. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    The first rule when we study is that passages can never contradict any other passages. God will not contradict Himself. Second rule is to always look before, and after, a passage to get the context. We first have to see that in Romans Paul is addressing Jewish beliefs about salvation and...
  7. Nathan

    God Is Soooo Out Of Touch

    I get humor, but not satire. I think God is broken over the stupidity of the foolish, not a God who ridicules them. I'm not saying that its serious business 100% of the time(even though we should count the days as short), but satire - especially when it involves God Almighty - the Holy God -...
  8. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    1Jo 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
  9. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    I know. :)
  10. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    The only reason you wont have answers is because you did not want them. :)
  11. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Which one?
  12. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Why only take part of my post and quote it? Did you like or not like the rest of it? I was answering a previous post of yours with the rest of the post you left out.
  13. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Completely. The elect are the ones chosen by God. Predestination is what God has chosen for those who He has called. So, are there some people who Christ did not die for their sins? Are there some people who cannot possibly ever believe in God?
  14. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Interesting. I forgot the word "not" in the post you replied to with the quote above. What I meant to say was that He never said that someone who believed in Him could never not believe in Him. Whats interesting is that by your own admission someone who has once believed in Christ can then no...
  15. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Are you accusing me of something that I have not done? What passages did I twist? Gal 1:6-7 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and...
  16. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    No passages to quote for support of this thought? So there are some people that God specifically states will never be able to believe and be saved? According to you, does God allow some people into the world and never give them a chance to repent?
  17. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    :wink Your right. No passage does state "leave salvation". You also won't find any that say "you cannot leave salvation". Hmmmmmmmmmm.........guess then either both are wrong - or one is right.
  18. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Where do you find this? How do you define the world? How come you are not showing any passages with these statements?
  19. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Did He die for their sins or not?
  20. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    I have never changed the meaning of the Bible. Were you accusing me of that? I agree, the words of God are ALL about salvation. I am NOT trying to say they are about loosing it. Were you accusing me of that? Those who do not believe in the word of God will not have salvation - that's the...
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