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  1. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Sometimes the best answer to a question is another question. When you answer the question I asked, then you will have the answer to your question.
  2. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    :confused Did Jesus purchase the world with what He did on the cross? Gal 3:13-14 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles...
  3. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    :shame Really. Is this passage speaking of leaving Christ and salvation? I know, I am sure you probably misunderstood. I was not saying the passage did not have anything to do with either Christ, or salvation. I was stating the passage did not have anything to do with leaving Christ or...
  4. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    You don't think Jesus gives people the right to that idea. There is a big difference. Jesus never stated that someone can have eternal life apart from Him, and He never stated someone who believes in Him could no longer believe in Him. You believe what you do based on what you think He says...
  5. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    It is an either or dichotomy. Either God is the Savior or we are. If what we do 'saves' us, then it is not God who saves. I think that its because people look at salvation as an 'instantaneous' event that they do not see how it is through faith, but it is ongoing also. So, you will be saved...
  6. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    I remember very well. If you do not want to take the time to go back so be it. I have clarified what I stated, if you would like more then I would simply point you to previous posts. The little up arrow in the quotes takes you back to the previous persons post. Makes going back and reading...
  7. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    I find it interesting that its come to personal attacks on me with false accusations. The only way I can rationalize this is that the number one way to suppress the truth is to discredit the person speaking it. Not only that, but if someone does not believe what you believe then Christ made...
  8. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    That's a false accusation. I do not directly, or indirectly, disagree. I agree 100% with everything Jesus said. Did someone force you to malign me? Who has salvation? If you leave Who has it, how is it not given up by you? Define the word snatched in the Bible. You will see that it is...
  9. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    I find it interesting you must resort to stating things the way you do. My theology does not directly disagree, you have not shown it. ANYONE who reads what I write, and what you write, can see you are just saying that for what I can only assume is a way of attacking me. What persuaded you to...
  10. Nathan

    God Is Soooo Out Of Touch

    Is satire Godly? Eph 5:3-14 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of...
  11. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    I agree. You cannot be taken from His hand. Problem is, we know for a fact that people can leave Him. Gal 1:6-7 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—not that there is another one, but there are some...
  12. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    The Spirit in us is His life. That is the "eternal life" that He gives us. Jhn 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is...
  13. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Directly oppose? How so? I've found that people are very quick to judge others. Many accusations have been made, but with nothing to back them up. I have never directly opposed what Christ has proclaimed, and am defending the faith that was once and for all given to us.
  14. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Discussion was the point. It just needed to start with you. If you go back in the line of posts you will see that I was asking questions that you were not responding to.
  15. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    If you answer the question I asked, then you will find the answer to the question you asked. Sometimes its best to help others feed themselves.
  16. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Jesus is eternal life, and because He is eternal life, He gives it to those who He is in. We cannot posses it, because if we did then that would put a beginning onto something that has no beginning.
  17. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Well put. I really think that people view the tree of life as a 'one shot' deal. As if you ate just one fruit of it you are instantly immortal and eternal. If we would just see how God has designed the world around us, we would see that the things God created with breath have to 'eat' as in a...
  18. Nathan

    OSAS winning Christ? OSNAS just hanging on?

    Thank you. I know that it's hard to understand each other across a platform like this. But some of those things you wrote, that you say are inconsistency, only are such when said the way you put them. I did not put them that way, but I do understand why you think of them that way. Trust me, I...
  19. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    They are meant to help you think about your statement. Not quite rhetorical, but close to it. When you answer the questions(to yourself) you see how your view of salvation either is based upon you doing something or God having done something. It can't be both. Only one gets credit for...
  20. Nathan

    Saved by Grace Through Faith, Not by Works

    Do you believe that salvation is based on what someone does? Salvation only comes after one believes?
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