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  1. thethinker

    Both Muslim and Jew Will Build The Temple

    Are you saying that John was transported to the future to the actual time when the earth is supposedly burned up? John was on the Lord's day PRIOR to being transported into heaven (1:10). He was in the spirit on the Lord's day (Sat or Sun) when the Lord spoke to him. This was PRIOR to his being...
  2. thethinker

    Both Muslim and Jew Will Build The Temple

    It is Sunday for most Christians, but it is Saturday for SDA Christians.
  3. thethinker

    Both Muslim and Jew Will Build The Temple

    John was transported to heaven to see things that were in the NEAR future. It says NOTHING about him being transported into the actual future. An elder that was in heaven THEN was speaking with John. One who does not exist cannot speak because he does not exist. Therefore, the scene is NO...
  4. thethinker

    Both Muslim and Jew Will Build The Temple

    Revelation 4:2 says NOTHING about John being transported into the future. IMO To say that persons who did not yet exist spoke with John is absurd. edited please adjust the verbiage.reba The respectable thing is to admit that Revelation 4:2 is NOT a proof text for the pre-tribulation rapture...
  5. thethinker

    Both Muslim and Jew Will Build The Temple

    It is your ASSUMPTION as you have said. After John was caught up to heaven one of the elders spoke to him. The rapture had not occurred in John's day. Yet the elder was there in heaven to speak with John. So how can the presence of the twenty-four elders in heaven be proof that the Church is...
  6. thethinker

    Both Muslim and Jew Will Build The Temple

    dd You said that the presence of the twenty-four elders in heaven is proof that they were raptured. But one of the elders spoke to John which means that they were in heaven in John's time without being raptured. Hebrews mentions the "glorified spirits of just men made perfect." They were already...
  7. thethinker

    Isreal Conflict

    Or maybe I am open to learning.
  8. thethinker

    Isreal Conflict

    It didn't happen overnight. It took twenty-five years.
  9. thethinker

    Both Muslim and Jew Will Build The Temple

    How does John also appear before the throne to speak with the twenty-four elders? Was he already raptured? If you accept the reading in the Received Text, then they are redemed men. But if you accept the reading of the NU Text and the Novum Testamentum, then they are not men. These alternate...
  10. thethinker

    Isreal Conflict

    Exactly! “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them.25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there...
  11. thethinker

    Isreal Conflict

    I went from pre-trib to I went from Premil Pre-trib to Historical Premil to Amil to Preterist
  12. thethinker

    Isreal Conflict

    See Gary DeMar's book "Last days Madness." He is an eminent Partial Preterist author.The man of sin CANNOT be a figure which is to appear in our time. The man of sin was to be seated in the temple that was THEN STANDING (page 324). Paul said that the man of sin "has sat down" in the temple (vs...
  13. thethinker

    Isreal Conflict

    Those translations which render the verb "has sat down" as future are incorrect. They reflect the translator's interpretations. There are NO FUTURE VERBS in the text. The verb "has sat down" is an aorist infinitive. Jesus used the aorist infinitive saying, "Before Abraham was (aorist infinitive)...
  14. thethinker

    Question for Pre-trib believers only

    I thought this is supposed to be an open forum. What specific rule prohibits all from posting here? Thanks!
  15. thethinker

    1,000 Year Reign with Christ

    No!
  16. thethinker

    Isreal Conflict

    The antichrist is dead and gone. Paul said that he had already been seated in the temple in his own day. 3 let not any one deceive you in any manner, because -- if the falling away may not come first, and the man of sin be revealed -- the son of the destruction, 4 who is opposing and is...
  17. thethinker

    Why is there infant baptisim?

    That believers are to bring their babies to God is new covenant as it was old covenant. The Bible tells of people "bringing babies to Jesus" (Luke 18:15). The Lord's inner circle of disciples rebuked the parents for bringing the little ones. But what did Jesus do? When Jesus saw this, he was...
  18. thethinker

    Did Jesus preach to people in hell?

    There is a grave of the body (though not biblically). And there was a grave of the soul. Hades was the grave of the soul. Souls "slept" in the grave (hades).
  19. thethinker

    Did Jesus preach to people in hell?

    It doesn't matter how many times it is translated "grave." In the bible hades was the grave of the SOUL, not of the body. grave = resting place of the SOUL. At death the SOULS of the dead descended to the deepest regions of the earth. The soul of Jesus was resurrected from sheol (hades). Paul...
  20. thethinker

    Did Jesus preach to people in hell?

    I have seen you over at TOL and at CF Forums. You say that death means annihilation. This would mean that when Jesus died on the cross He was annihilated. So, who is the Jesus at the right hand of God? LOL!
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