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  1. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Yes, Jesus is indeed equal to the Father in essence and nature, But He is subordinate as mediator. At the resurrection He will deliver the kingdom to the Father and Himself become subject. Paul said that His reign ENDS at the resurrection 1 Cor. 15:254-28). Albert Barnes says that this is the...
  2. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Yes, Jesus is indeed co-equal in the Trinity. But we must be true to the language the scripture uses. Revelation 5 says that Jesus takes the scroll from the hand of the One sits upon the throne. Therefore, Jesus is NOT the one who sits upon the throne, and the Revelation says NOTHING about Him...
  3. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    No! The Revelation says that at the harvest He thrusts His sickle while sitting upon a cloud (Rev. 14:14-16). The harvest is the judgment. Therefore, He judges while sitting upon a cloud. It seems that no one here wants to deal with this. 1.It is actually His Father's throne. He sits upon it as...
  4. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    You missed verse 21. Both the Father and the Son participate in the judgment. The idea in verse 22 is that the Son is the mediating judge. Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: I agree...
  5. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Denial is not rebuttal. The One who sits upon the great white throne in chaptar 20 calls the one who overcomes "my son." Men are NOT Jesus' sons. They are His brothers. You did NOT dealt dircectly with this point. Neither did you address chapter 5 which CLEARLY distinguishes the One who sits...
  6. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    of chapter 20 also But the one who is seen sitting upon the throne throughout the Revelation is the Father. The language of chapter 20 also indicates that it is the Father and NOT Christ who sits upon the great white throne. 1. In verse 5 it says, "Then He who sits upon the throne said...."...
  7. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Hs I think it was necessary that they be caught up because those who were resurrected after Christ was resurrected could no more die again than Christ could die again. About the millennium: John saw the souls of them that were beheaded sitting upon thrones. Now, ALL thrones in John's visions...
  8. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Where does Revelation 20:4-6 speak about a millennium on earth? ALL thrones in John's visions are seen IN HEAVEN.
  9. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    A new dispensation does NOT imply a new people. It implies that God's people are under a new dispensation. This is poor exegesis. It may read thus, "Give no offense to Jews and Greeks, that is, the church of God." thethinker, Sir: it may be that among 'Messianic' circles, and among radical...
  10. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Many saints were resurrected when Jesus was resurrected (Matthew 27:51-53). They would have ascended with Him the forty days later. I believe that it is these that should return with Him in the LAST trumpet. I deny that there is a millennium of any kind.
  11. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    What do you mean? Paul said that the dead will be raised incorruptible and the living will be changed in the LAST trumpet.
  12. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Paul likened the Galatians (the Jewish believers) to "children" under the law, and then to "[mature] sons" after receiving the Spirit (Galatians 4:1-6). Therefore, your argument fails to show that the Church began with the giving of the Spirit. The Church did NOT begin with the giving of the...
  13. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    The LAST trumpet is at the resurrection and rapture of the Church (1 Corinthians 15:51-55).
  14. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Note that Paul said that they WERE stangers from the commonwealth of Israel. The past tense "were" suggests that they are NO LONGER strangers from the commonwealth of Israel. Example: He also said that they WERE dead in their trespasses and sins. This means that they are NO LONGER dead in their...
  15. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    What! Paul told the Ephesians that they had become members of the "commonwealth of Israel."
  16. thethinker

    He will show you things to come...

    Christ's words had NOTHING to do with us. It had to do with the Holy Spirit guiding THEM in the writing of New Testament Scripture. 16:11 The Spirit guided the New Testament writers who prepared the new written revelation that would take its place beside the Old Testament Scriptures...
  17. thethinker

    He will show you things to come...

    I am sorry to burst your bubble bro. But Jesus goes on to illustrate the principles of the regeneration with His parable of the workers in the vineyard. His parable CLEARLY indicates that the regeneration is about this PRESENT Gospel dispensation. He said, "FOR the kingdom of heaven is like a...
  18. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Greetings, I have already addressed this. I reject the futuristic approach to the Revelation. The firstfruits of the twelve tribes of Israel in the Revelation is the same group mentioned in James. 1:1, James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among...
  19. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    I appreciate your questions and observations. The Dead Sea scrolls were not kept in Jerusalem. They were discovered about 13 miles away at Khirbet Qumran in the Westbank. They were carefully sealed in jars and put in a dry environment. The Jewish geneaologies, on the other hand, were kept in...
  20. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Paul was speaking about the remnant of Israel in his own time (Romans 11:5). Besides, the gospel of the Christian Zionists does NOT provoke modern "Jews" to jealousy. It provokes the Arabs Gentiles to jealousy. Seeing that the theology of Christian Zionism has the OPPOSITE effect of what God...
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