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  1. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Paul said that we no longer know Christ after the flesh. He said that we are one spirit in Christ. Your argument is circular. You ASSUME that a difference still remains and then you argue, "God can tell the difference." I am telling you that God abolished the ethnic difference. Thank you! Thank...
  2. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    The word "hope" was NOT my word. It was YOURS. The verbs are subjunctive. Subjunctive verbs are CONDITIONAL. οἶκος ὑμῶν. λέγω [δὲ] ὑμῖν, οὐ μὴ ἴδητέ με ἕως [ἥξει ὅτε] εἴπητε, Εὐλογημένος ὁ ἐρχόμενος ἐν ὀνόματι κυρίου. ] Go to the link below and you will see the verse. Then click on the...
  3. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    What I am saying is that we are all ONE BLOOD now. We all stand on the same ground with God. There is NO special people according to the flesh. God is NOT a respecter of persons. God judged the Jewish nation for rejecting her Messiah by making her house "desolate." The verbs in verse...
  4. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Where have I denied that modern Jews are candidates for salvation? I have not. I have said that they are not Biblical Jews. Their house (family) was made desolate. Post #258 I said: "There are no ethnic Jews today. But the grace of the Lord extends to any man that calls upon His name."
  5. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Jews in Biblical times traced their lineage patriarchally. Modern "Jews" trace their lineage through the mother. So what happened? Halakha, Jewish law, defines a Jew as someone who is either the child of a Jewish mother, or a person who converts to Judaism in accord with Jewish law. So you...
  6. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    How many times must I repeat myself? The Jews of 11:25 were the remnant of Paul's day (vs. 6). After the fulness of the Gentiles of Paul's day came in "all Israel" (the remnant) was saved too. God kept His promise to the remnant. It had ALWAYS been about the remnant of THAT generation. Then God...
  7. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    I don't mean to sound snobbish. Really I don't. But I take these things seriously. Even if the Jewish race should exist today the kingdom was long ago taken away from them and transferred to another nation "bearing the fruits of it." The deal is done! Furthermore, Jesus indicated that the...
  8. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

  9. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    I have repeatedly given Jesus' word in which He said, "Your house shall be left unto you DESOLATE." Was Jesus a false prophet? I have substantiated the fulfillment of this prediction from extra-biblical sources.
  10. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    It's is anthropologically inmcorrect to say that Abraham's physical seed exists today. What is your proof that God wanted to preserve ethnic Israel? No one here wants to deal with Jesus prediction, "Your house shall be left unto you DESOLATE." Modern Israel is not Biblical Israel.
  11. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    There are no ethnic Jews today. But the grace of the Lord extends to any man that calls upon His name.
  12. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    What does God's unfailing love have to do with it? If God makes a conditional covenant with a people and they do not meet the contingencies and God repents of the good He promised, how has His love failed? And what about the Jews of the last two thousand years who will not receive anything...
  13. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    CONDITIONAL! See Zechariah 1:3. God said that He would return to Israel IF they returned to Him. Israel confessed that God was dealing with them CONDITIONALLY (vs. 6). So the book of Zechariah BEGINS with God saying that He is dealing with them CONDITIONALLY and Israel acknowledges it...
  14. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    How do you plan to show you are a Jew? First, after Jerusalem was destroyed in ad70 all geneaological records were destroyed. The entire city and temple perished. Second, it cannot be proven by DNA without DNA samples from the original twelve tribal heads. First, the word "Jew" today has...
  15. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    After they rejected their Messiah God abandoned them once for all except for the remnant in Paul's time. Jesus said that their house would be "left DESOLATE." This means that they would cease to be a race and they did. Anthropology confirms that the physical seed of Abraham is gone. Yes it's...
  16. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    Jesus said that the kingdom was TAKEN AWAY from them and given to a nation "bearing the fruits of it." The kingdom has already been transferred to another nation. Again I say that the promises of God contained many "contingency clauses." I have already given Jeremiah 18:6-10 as an example. God...
  17. thethinker

    pre trib rapture a dangerous ploy to deceive

    It was CONDITIONAL. God said that the instant He gave a promise to establish a kingdom and Israel did not obey, that He would REPENT of His promise (Jeremiah 18:6-10). Israel did NOT obey. Therefore, all bets are off. Jesus said that the kingdom was TAKEN AWAY from them and given to another...
  18. thethinker

    -You be the judge for how near we are to the End-

    The gospel was preached all over the world (Colossians 1:6, 23). The historical context indicates that the "end" was the end of the Jewish state. After the gospel was preached in all the world the end of the Jewish State came just as Jesus predicted (ad70).
  19. thethinker

    The Day of the LORD... The Day of Jesus Christ...

    Did you not read what Paul said? He said that we will put on immortality when the dead are raised AND the living are changed. He said that this is when Hosea 13:14 comes to pass. Therefore, in Paul's thinking Hosea 13:14 includes the rapture.
  20. thethinker

    The Day of the LORD... The Day of Jesus Christ...

    thethinker replied: Then n2thelight said: Paul said that Hosea 13:14 comes to pass when the Church is resurrected AND raptured. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, AND we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal...
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