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    No Pretrib Rapture

    I would state the great tribulation is in the days of the reign of the beast. The beast and his armies will cause and be the cause of astounding devastation on earth. So much so unless those days were cut short by God no one would survive. I would state a sign that can't be mistaken for that...
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    No Pretrib Rapture

    I agree with the OP no pretrib rapture. 2 thess 2; Rev 13 No gathering before the lawless one reveals himself to the world sitting in the temple declaring himself God. That lawless one is successful in his war with the saints until his 42months of reign decreed by God is completed and is...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    I'm sure you believe God created all things. Well He created all those things through the Son. Its very clear to almost all who proclaim faith in Him. The context of all things. To state otherwise one would have to form their own faith and be known as something other than Christain to set them...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    The Apostles teaching should be sufficient for you but Jesus statements, ascending to where He was before, the glory He had with the Father before the world began, and was before Abraham was born shows even if He Himself stated when as the Son of Man God created through Him you wouldn't...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    It means as it states "all things" and if God made all things by Him and through Him and for Him that means He was from the beginning before those things as it also states "He is before all things and that which was from the beginning". It's not possible to believe all that is written of Him and...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    Its clear to me as its spelled out and is cohesive with John and Hebrews 1. To state otherwise would be "my" interpretation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    Its quite clear in the bible He is before all things and God brought all things into existence through/by Him. That He is the radiance of Gods glory and the imprint Of Gods very being. The image of the invisible God. He is all that the Father is and in that He is God. Its not possible to believe...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    Ok, The fault isn't in you.
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    Already done by me and others many times with scripture. Are you declaring you didn't recognize the refute?
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    Thank's , but He can't hear anything in regard to the Son who was before the world began. There really isn't anything one can add to change his outlook. He follows another teacher. It's a continuous state of disagreement.
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    Jesus was before all things except the Father. As has been shown and shown to you. That in itself is enough to disprove your glorified Man that began life in Mary theology.Yes- Jesus is all that the Father is and is He who was from the beginning for in Him all the fullness was pleased to...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    This does not negate that He is from the beginning, that all the fullness of the Deity was pleased to dwell in Him, that God brought all things into existence by/through Him and even "for" Him. Rev 3:14 “And to the angel of the church in La-odice′a write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    They touched, saw and heard the Word of Life. Life is always associated with something "Living". That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; How do I see the life from the...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    Jesus didn't separate Himself from Himself that's why He speaks as the Son of Man as that which was from the beginning and came down from Heaven. That life or His life appeared in flesh. He was seen, touched, and heard. The eternal life that was with the Father in the beginning. "That which...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    We are stating what He and the Apostles taught. He descended from above as the only eyewitness of God and spoke of things He saw and heard in His Fathers presence, that which was from the beginning, the eternal life appeared which they saw and heard and touched, they declare Him to the whole...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    It seems your implying flesh and blood descended. Jesus made no such claim. "He" descended. When Jesus spoke He was the Son of Man. The Son who was wasn't flesh and blood. That body was prepared for Him who descended from Heaven. It's clear to me His spirit was in that body. The flesh counts...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    The nature of the Word is the Fathers. (God) The eternal life with the Father in this case is referred to as the Word. In others as the Word of Life or the Word of God. (The Father) It's clear testimony of the One who became the Son of Man. In the beginning was the Word of God and the Word of...
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    Does this offend you? Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before? John 6 Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!
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    There is an alternative to trinitarianism/ non-trinitarianism.

    Sorry, Logos is geek translated to English as Word. Not sure what you mean here. Still the same person as John writes: That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the...
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