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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    Your question was answered. 3rd time- God promises the wicked the 2nd death. He does not state life in that soul suffering state in the lake of fire. YOU are using the term eternal life to reason annihilation even though the burning causes torment with no rest night and day to such souls as...
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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    Again God uses 2nd death to describe that eternal suffering. Likewise so do I. Your eternal life language is of your own doing trying to reason away what should have been clear to you. I don't know why you persist in annihilation as it's not found in the Bible. You have been shown that the...
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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    I showed you their suffering in the burning sulfur. It's for you to show annihilation which can't be gleamed from the text. God uses the term 2nd death in regard to that suffering not life.
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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    It should be clear to all that burning sulfur causes suffering to spirit/souls not annihilation. The 2nd death is the lake of burning sulfur. The ratio of those who will be consigned to their fate as by the choices they made while in the life of the body is greater then those that receive Christ...
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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with...
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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    How can someone who is executed be tormented with no rest day or night?
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    Is Jesus Christ a created being (Begotten Son) or has He always existed alongside God the Father (Eternal Son)?

    Clearly the Logos has the Fathers nature, as in about the Son. God was the Logos. It's about the nature of the Logos who is not the Father and is with the Father in the beginning. There was no Son of Man at that point in history. You wouldn't state Jesus was with the Father in the beginning...
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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with...
  9. R

    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    Whats your translation then for the greek in rev 20:10 ? The testimony in Rev was given by Jesus. Tortmented day and night to the ages of the ages. Being executed is not torment and wouldn't state day and night forever. A soul in the lake of fire is someone who perishes never to rise again.
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    Is Jesus Christ a created being (Begotten Son) or has He always existed alongside God the Father (Eternal Son)?

    The Son who was and is now has all the fullness of God the Father living in Him. He is all that the Father is. He also has sovereign authority.
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    Is Jesus Christ a created being (Begotten Son) or has He always existed alongside God the Father (Eternal Son)?

    Fullness=the deity without limit. Yes it is the Father in Him. But in that unity He is ALL that the Father is. The image of the invisible God. He has the Fathers very nature in Him. God was the Logos. The radiance of the Fathers glory and the exact imprint of the Fathers very being. The Father...
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    Is Jesus Christ a created being (Begotten Son) or has He always existed alongside God the Father (Eternal Son)?

    The Deity that was pleased to dwell IN Him is unbegotten. His spirit is the beginning of the creation of God. God's Firstborn and the Firstborn of all creation. He is before all things except His God and Father. And God the Father brought all those things He is before through, by and for Him...
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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    You disagree with their understanding of greek in regard to the meaning in english? https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/20-10.htm
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    Jesus the Man Before John !

    I guess that means yes you are a JW otherwise you would state NO. God has not shown Himself as an Angel. He glorifies Himself. He shows Himself as God Almighty. Jesus's spirit was before the world began and in Him all the fullness of God the Father was pleased to dwell. The Son, who was before...
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    Jesus the Man Before John !

    No, the Angel appeared as an Angel. Gods Holy Spirit is not visible to man. You keep avoiding the question. Are you a JW?
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    Jesus the Man Before John !

    I think the Fathers Spirit was there as in the Spirit of God or Holy Spirit. That the angel was standing in the presence of God. Hence the ground was Holy ground.
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    Who, or What, are the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11?

    Rev 11 testifies about Rev 11 not Daniel. Again Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where...
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    Jesus the Man Before John !

    Yes, in regard to the Father and the Son. At the burning bush before Moses I believe God's presence was there "with" His Angel by His "Spirit". The Holy Spirit. Where the Father goes His glory follows. Read about His descending on the Mountain top to speak to Moses. His glory greatly disrupted...
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    Annihilationism, do the Wicked Perish?

    This strongly suggests/states a continuous awareness of torment. So, if God can annihilate spirit He does not appear to do so. I would state anyone consigned to the lake of fire forever is in a destroyed state. A 2nd death. Rev 14 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone...
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    Who, or What, are the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11?

    Anything beyond 2 people God appointed as His witnesses is pure speculation. Their bodies lay in the street and are refused burial. Everything points to two unnamed people. When these events take place, it will be a sign that can't be mistaken for those who believe that the coming of the Lord...
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