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  1. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    We were lost before we heard our Master's voice. We had no knowledge or understanding of God and we were headed for destruction. But that's not the point. All I'm saying is we were lost before we were found. Jesus was speaking in figures, used contrast. Actually the parable creates an...
  2. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Same as the lost sheep of the house of Israel. They were his sheep, and they were in a lost state being without a shepherd. Jesus was sent to find them. Likewise his Gentile sheep, who belong to his flock, were lost in the world (sinners) before they heard the Shepherd's voice.
  3. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    According to the parable the sheep was in a lost state before he was found. So this is the sinner before the sinner repents. He is lost. Then he goes from being lost to being found. This is the sinner who repents and gains his life. The parable is not about losing a sinner. The parable is about...
  4. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    When the soul enters the body, I guess.
  5. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    God plants his sons. The Devil plants his sons. The word of God falls like rain on the good and the bad, so both come up at the same time. God gives them life - intelligence, the ability to see and hear his word, so they are without excuse. The sons of the evil one are liars and murders like...
  6. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    This is what you get when you mix those who have no understanding, so that they can not believe and be saved, with those who have no root or not much root, so that they only believe for a while.
  7. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Finally I agree!
  8. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    The parable says otherwise.
  9. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    He is saved if he continues to believe. If anything the parable teaches us that believing for a while does not mean saved, as you assume.
  10. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    That which is planted does indeed take root in a believer's heart. The root is what keeps us standing.
  11. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Yes he is persecuted because he is a believer. But if a man believes only for a while he is not saved. Matthew 13:21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. What do we mean by 'falls...
  12. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Of course it happens. That's not the point. The point is he has no root. The seed is the word of God. But there's not enough soil for the seed to take root in. So the parable says the man endures for a while. Endures hardship, temptation. He holds on for a while. But he has no root. No firm...
  13. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    It's because he has no root JLB He falls away because he has no root.
  14. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    If such a thing was possible, I would not be saved. But I am in the Father's hand, so I'm not worried about that.
  15. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    I was saved when I heard the gospel. Yes. Now. I always believe. Jeremiah 17:8 He is like a tree planted by water, that sends out its roots by the stream, and does not fear when heat comes, for its leaves remain green, and is not anxious in the year of drought, for it does not cease to bear...
  16. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    A person who only believes for a while is not saved. To be saved, a man must believe in the Lord and he must continue to believe in the Lord. Paul said, "if you hold it fast - unless you believed in vain' meaning unless your believing was for nothing. 1 Cor. 15:1-2 Is it possible that...
  17. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Why not remains for a while or abides for a while? Why must you believe he was saved for a while? I'll tell you God doesn't save for a while. I think it would be more accurate to say if a man is not rooted in love, he remains in Christ only for a while or he abides in Christ only for a while...
  18. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Jesus is our salvation. Can a man fall away from Jesus? Yes. But believe does not mean saved. They are two different words. You can't just substitute one word for the other and make a sensible argument. The parable says this man believes for a while. It doesn't say he is saved for a while...
  19. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Did you became lost again? The shepherd does not leave his flock in the wilderness. After the shepherd finds his sheep, he doesn't just leave them to perish in the wilderness. No. The parable says, " Matthew 18:14 So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little...
  20. M

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    No problem. His sheep are those who believe and keep his commandments. So are they always saved?
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